Most of the serious trials bikes I've seen are now seatless.

Yes, but they dont do tailwhips, whoppers or any other tricks that involve you or the bike spinning.

trials bikes: hopping around on to and off off things usually at very low speeds the seat can get in the way also never unestamate fashion (Which BMX is also has a lot of). Trials bikes always have had small seats but no seat is one step further, a little in terms of praticality for the pro and a little bit of style / fashion. That is my guess as to why trails bikes have no seat. You never see dirt jumping mountain bikes with out a seat.

BMX: more jumps e.t.c I find that you may start of with a level seat but in soon gets tilted back due to the position you are in when riding around and the heavy landings when you bump down on the seat*, due to the shape and size of a BMX 99% of the time you end on on the back of the seat. A seat is alo reguarly needed to lever against when doing many tricks and grabed. Also getting between places and crusing around you still want a seat.

Although both types of riding are not about speed and fittness as much as other types and rely on balence a lot trail and BMX are very diffrent sports.

* You never want anything over tight on a BMX (excepts wheels cranks e.t.c), if it is slightly loose and you crash it will shift, if you have it rock solid it tends to brake

moxfyre, I work at Bike Doctor in Arnold, pretty far from you but stop by sometime if you're ever in the area!

wtp, although i have been slacking on the bmx scene for years now, i love to keep up and i still ride a few times a week. before i worked at a shop i would build and fix everyones bike for them so i have to thank the bmx kids for getting me started. i'd still rather build up a 20" but sadly kids just don't need a shop to do that for them, because there are other kids just like me out there doing it instead!

The winos that come into our LBS call those TWO FOUR bars.. "Cuz you can fit a case of beer in there".

(See sig links for details of each)


Barracuda Mk.I (built from Centurion frame)




Gazelle Champion Mondial


1986 Schwinn Passage

Don't have any photos of the rebuilt 1980 Schwinn Traveler I had that shows the full extent of the rebuild. Pieced together upgrade over about 4-5months.

Interloc Racing Design frame/Ouzo Pro fork, assorted bits. Fixed with the wonderful White Industries ENO eccentric rear hub. Faaaaaast and fun. Yep, the drops are hacked off; my preferred spot is on the hoods. I don't recall the last time I road in the drops, so they get cut on my bikes. Nope the seat isn't really at that angle; the pic just makes it look very odd. 17#


Weyless-67 (the defunct Supergo's once housebrand frame name) with RS 160mm Domain fork. Front and rear with an extremely balanced feel, with travel a little over 6" at each end. Slightly shorter i2i rear shock, and slightly shorter fork than I was running have resulted in a lower BB height, while preserving the same seat and head angles. Feels much better this way. Has a 55mm stem on now instead of the 70mm pictured. 35# ride it all. Slow pedaling up, but worth it coming down.


On-One il pompino crosser/commuter/dirt road play bike. Feels way better than the Crosscheck it replaced. Most of the time sports fenders, lights, and a rear rack. Yep, that's a headtube exteder on the bottom - gives me a slacker angle, paired with the 46cm wide bars, I love it. I've come to prefer slack and wide on my road bikes, considering I spend far more time on my mtbs. 21#


Peyto Cycles Wild Bill frame/RS Pike Team coil fork. The one. If I had to only have one ride, this would be it. Does DH lifted days. Long, high country above treeline epics. A little urban and hack skill DJ time. It does it all, and feels great doing so. Huge tire clearance, ability to run a shorter or longer fork. Now has the 70mm stem from the squishy bike on it, rather than the 90mm in the picture. I love this bike. 27#

Yep, the hardtail and the squishy both have Gravity Dropper Descencer posts - those aren't suspension posts. Greatest addition to my mtbs since adopting disc brakes. Well worth the slight weight increase. All are heavier than they could be. I'd rather have a bit more weight, and confidence in my equipment rather thant he worry about cr@p breaking when riding. Over half my mtb time is decently out there, and solo. Ya'll don't even want to know how big and heavy my Camelbak is!

With the exception of the mountain bike and the Garlatti, all of my bikes are built by me from the frame up. You can click my signature if you want to see them.

Here's my Surly Long Haul Trucker touring and commuting bicycle. I finished the build in late August. This is a fantastic ride!

First fixie.

wethepeople - hey, I recognize those cranks. Sugino No.6 or something like that right? They were stock on ma Centurion I picked up and built into the 'Barracuda Mk.I' I posted up the page a ways. Very interesting design for the time period. Too bad the rings were rivited in place.

'86 Trek 660 fixie. A lot of fun and a great bike, but the 19 inch frame was just too small for me. I donated it to the Sacto Bike Kitchen with the hope that a shorter person can use it.




'04 REI Novara Trionfo. Built up as a tri bike with Ultegra that I migrated from my Trek 5200 when it got a DA upgrade:



'83 Caldaro. An eBay find, built with a mix of Record, Chorus, and Centaur 10speed stuff:

So far:



My '78 schwinn le tour III fixed gear w/ suicide hub. Stripped the complete bike down to the frame and rebuilt using different wheels and pedals. It's a bit different now, I've got both brakes on, different levers, different seat and some other little things.



My singlespeed commuter. Started with the frame and BB. I kind of hate this bike. Basically it's never quite fit me right and I've spent too much $$ on it. It's actually a real solid, reliable commuter but I just loathe it. It's got different bars, steam, seat, pedals and crankset on it now.

To come is a 70's Nishiki International I built up for my wife- rebuilt mostly, and I'm building a mtb from a 99 trek 930 frame, and I'm rebuilding a motobecane grand jubile and some other stuff.

Amazing bikes Sheldon, but I have to admit my first thought was, "man, I wish I had that many broken-in Brooks laying around!"

[QUOTE=caloso]'86 Trek 660 fixie. A lot of fun and a great bike, but the 19 inch frame was just too small for me. I donated it to the Sacto Bike Kitchen with the hope that a shorter person can use it.



This bike is hot.

I likes.