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Old 02-19-07 | 02:03 PM
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Replacing my fixie wheels and needed some advice.

First, is 32 hole that much less durable than 36?

Second, Any positives or negatives regarding these wheels? :

https://wheelandsprocket.com/itemdeta...gId=39&id=7123

I appreciate your expert advice!
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Old 02-19-07 | 02:23 PM
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If everything else was equal, I'd say that the 36 spoke wheel would be 12% stronger. Of course, that might only mean that the 36 spoke wheel is 12% overbuilt because lots of folks are riding on 32 spoke wheels with no problems.

Then again, everything else is never equal. For example, I'd much rather have a well built 32 spoke wheel than a so-so wheel with 36 spokes. For whatever it's worth, I've got 32 spoke wheels (that I built myself) on my fixie.
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Old 02-19-07 | 04:19 PM
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Those wheels look plenty strong at 32 spokes, depending on your weight. Fixie rears are stronger than geared rears because of the symmetry, so you should be fine. If you're under 250, I can't imagine you'd have a problem on normal roads or a track.
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Old 02-19-07 | 05:33 PM
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I weigh in at 180 right now so I should be fine? I was hoping to do a week tour on them this summer as well and the guy is going to sell them to me for cheap. Just wanted to make sure that they are worth it!
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Old 02-19-07 | 06:40 PM
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The components are fine for your weight. The durability will depend on the build.
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32 Spokes will be fine for someone weighing 180...ah, but here comes the but! Most wheel builders like Peter White, Zinn, Sheldon Brown etc will tell you that if you want a reliable wheel with very little problems then go with the 36. A 36 spoke wheel will be a tad heavier, but the reliablity will more then make up for the increased weight. I weigh 165 and have used 36 spoke wheels for years and rarely do I have any problems. In fact all my wheel problems have been due to crashes or hitting a railroad track that wasn't flush with the road! Otherwise I never have any problems and rarely do I even have to true them.
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Originally Posted by davidmcowan
Replacing my fixie wheels and needed some advice.

First, is 32 hole that much less durable than 36?

Second, Any positives or negatives regarding these wheels? :

https://wheelandsprocket.com/itemdeta...gId=39&id=7123

I appreciate your expert advice!
I get asked about this a lot, so I have a canned response:
Singlespeed/fixed-gear rear wheels are inherently WAY stronger than derailer-type wheels.

On a 36 spoke derailer rear wheel, the 18 spokes on the right carry virtually all of the load, due to the way the wheel needs to be dished to make room for all of the sprockets.

With a singlespeed/fixed gear wheel, the flanges are wider apart and are symmetrical, so ALL of the spokes do an equal share in carrying the load. As a result, 32 spokes is PLENTY for singlespeed/fixed-gear wheels, MUCH stronger than even a 36 spoke derailer type wheel
No comment on the specific wheels, since they're from a competitor.

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Old 02-19-07 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by froze
32 Spokes will be fine for someone weighing 180...ah, but here comes the but! Most wheel builders like Peter White, Zinn, Sheldon Brown etc will tell you that if you want a reliable wheel with very little problems then go with the 36. A 36 spoke wheel will be a tad heavier, but the reliablity will more then make up for the increased weight. I weigh 165 and have used 36 spoke wheels for years and rarely do I have any problems. In fact all my wheel problems have been due to crashes or hitting a railroad track that wasn't flush with the road! Otherwise I never have any problems and rarely do I even have to true them.
Do you run 36h on a fixie too? The symmetry adds four virtual spokes to the rear, IMO. Of course, as you say, 4 spokes weighs very little for the piece of mind if you're looking for 30K miles on a wheelset.

I'm 185 year-round, and run 36h rear, 32h front on my geared bike. My ss/fixie build is going to be 32 front/rear. All the wheels are tensioned w/in 5% all the way around, stress relieved, with spoke line adjustments out of the flanges. I'm counting on brake wear being the durability limiting factor
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Do you run 36h on a fixie too? The symmetry adds four virtual spokes to the rear, IMO. Of course, as you say, 4 spokes weighs very little for the piece of mind if you're looking for 30K miles on a wheelset.

I'm 185 year-round, and run 36h rear, 32h front on my geared bike. My ss/fixie build is going to be 32 front/rear. All the wheels are tensioned w/in 5% all the way around, stress relieved, with spoke line adjustments out of the flanges. I'm counting on brake wear being the durability limiting factor
I have a set of Torelli Master Series, and those are 36 spoked rims as I indicated before; those rims have over 40,000 miles on them...but, like you said, brake wear is becoming the limiting factor in their durability as I'm beginning to see signs of that happening.
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