Will re-lacing my FP60s radially make them stiffer than 2-cross?
06-16-08, 12:59 AM
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Will re-lacing my FP60s radially make them stiffer than 2-cross?
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I've got the older Flash-Point FP60s with the black spokes (20f/24r) laced in a 2-cross pattern, but I reckon they're a bit flexy, and definitely much more so than all my 32-spoke alu wheels, which is very annoying. I'm 85kg (187lb)
The new FP60s are radial front and on the left side of the rear, so.....**********?
Will I notice any difference?
I've got the older Flash-Point FP60s with the black spokes (20f/24r) laced in a 2-cross pattern, but I reckon they're a bit flexy, and definitely much more so than all my 32-spoke alu wheels, which is very annoying. I'm 85kg (187lb)
The new FP60s are radial front and on the left side of the rear, so.....**********?
Will I notice any difference?
06-16-08, 02:48 AM
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Re-lacing as radial , heads-in will make a wheel stiffer by some %, but so would re-lacing with thicker spokes(assuming that's an option)
Check out https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/wheel/data.htm for some good data.
But there's no lace pattern that'll get your 20/24 as stiff as your 32s.
Check out https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/wheel/data.htm for some good data.
But there's no lace pattern that'll get your 20/24 as stiff as your 32s.
06-16-08, 04:01 AM
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Thanks.
I've got the older Flash-Point FP60s with the black spokes (20f/24r) laced in a 2-cross pattern, but I reckon they're a bit flexy, and definitely much more so than all my 32-spoke alu wheels, which is very annoying. I'm 85kg (187lb)
The new FP60s are radial front and on the left side of the rear, so.....**********?
Will I notice any difference?
I've got the older Flash-Point FP60s with the black spokes (20f/24r) laced in a 2-cross pattern, but I reckon they're a bit flexy, and definitely much more so than all my 32-spoke alu wheels, which is very annoying. I'm 85kg (187lb)
The new FP60s are radial front and on the left side of the rear, so.....**********?
Will I notice any difference?
06-16-08, 04:10 AM
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Hmmmmm, I see.....I just found this old post from Danno
Radial lacing is actually stiffer vertically and axially. It just isn't as rigid torsionally to resist drivetrain torque. Check out Damon Rinard's wheel-deflection test and you'll see that the radial wheels are amongst the stiffest ones. In fact, the stiffest wheel in the entire test is a radially laced one (#92). Interesting to see that building radial with the spokes on the outside of the flange gives a 12% stiffer wheel than with the spokes on the inside (#94 and #95).
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yay radial front wheels!
06-16-08, 05:52 PM
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1) aesthetics
2) slightly "stiffer" as has already been mentioned
For the majority of non racers, radial makes no sense whatsoever.
06-18-08, 11:47 PM
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anyway, I've rebuilt the front Flash-Point radially with 2mm non-butted DT Champions, with the elbows out.
I haven't ridden it yet, because I want a few 'real' wheel builders to check the tension before I mash on it.
It feels much stiffer in the fork when I move it side to side with my hand -- so much so that I'm gunna rebuild the rear with 2mm DTs, but keep it 2-cross. Even if it's only a placebo, I reckon it's worth it
I haven't ridden it yet, because I want a few 'real' wheel builders to check the tension before I mash on it.
It feels much stiffer in the fork when I move it side to side with my hand -- so much so that I'm gunna rebuild the rear with 2mm DTs, but keep it 2-cross. Even if it's only a placebo, I reckon it's worth it
