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The Big Wheel 05-29-09 07:04 AM

Nitrogen in Tires
 
Is this a good idea or not? What are the pros/cons?

Ex Pres 05-29-09 07:09 AM

I fill my tires with a gas mixture that consists of approximately 80% nitrogen.

Metzinger 05-29-09 07:10 AM

Pros: it's awesome!
cons: It doesn't help anything, and it costs money.

neil0502 05-29-09 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Barker (Post 9003840)
I fill my tires with a gas mixture that consists of approximately 80% nitrogen.

:lol:

riot2003 05-29-09 07:19 AM

Will someone explain to me why thats a good idea?

dvs cycles 05-29-09 07:20 AM

My friend owned a bike shop and also filled his race car's tires with it so he thought he'd try it in the bike tires too. He said it changed the ride to a much harsher rougher feel so he went back to good old LA smog.

neil0502 05-29-09 07:22 AM

Here's a fairly good look at the topic....

HillRider 05-29-09 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by dvs cycles (Post 9003902)
My friend owned a bike shop and also filled his race car's tires with it so he thought he'd try it in the bike tires too. He said it changed the ride to a much harsher rougher feel so he went back to good old LA smog.

That's absurd. Did he fill the tires to a much higher pressure with the nitrogen? That's the only way it could have made any noticable difference.

bikingbrit 05-29-09 07:33 AM

Nitrogen in tires is just another way to rip off the ignorant and gullible. In very critical applications like race cars and jet airplanes nitrogen causes less variation of pressure vs. temperature. However this is due to the lower moisture content of nitrogen vs. ordinary air. Nitrogen causes less corrosion than air, but when was the last time you replaced an inner tube due to internal corrosion? Nitrogen is said to leak through rubber slower than air, but the difference is very small. And if cyclists were concerned with this they would not fill up with CO2 which leaks much faster than air!

neil0502 05-29-09 07:33 AM

Hill ... please.

Don't you feel ANY obligation to nurture the growth of urban legends?

;)

neil0502 05-29-09 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by bikingbrit (Post 9003984)
And if cyclists were concerned with this they would not fill up with CO2 which leaks much faster than air!


I agree with everything that you said, except that last bit.

While I take your point ... CO2 will get you home ... and that's all I ask of it.

whenaminotme? 05-29-09 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by neil0502 (Post 9003921)
Here's a fairly good look at the topic....

Thread closed...

Darth_Firebolt 05-29-09 07:46 AM

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=534147

check out page 3. or just read the whole thing.

mike_s 05-29-09 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by dvs cycles (Post 9003902)
it changed the ride to a much harsher rougher feel

He mistakenly used placebo gas.

Metzinger 05-29-09 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by mike_s (Post 9004153)
He mistakenly used placebo gas.

That s--t works waaay better if you inhale it.

HillRider 05-29-09 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by whenaminotme? (Post 9004031)
Thread closed...

You're kidding, of course. :rolleyes:

JohnDThompson 05-29-09 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Metzinger (Post 9004171)
That s--t works waaay better if you inhale it.

You're thinking of nitrous oxide (aka "laughing gas").

Spasticteapot 05-29-09 08:17 AM

Around here, it can heat up so quickly on spring days that the merchandise of some bike stores, inflated to capacity the night before in a freezing bike shop, will suffer a spontaneous blowout at 70 degrees.

HillRider 05-29-09 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Spasticteapot (Post 9004243)
Around here, it can heat up so quickly on spring days that the merchandise of some bike stores, inflated to capacity the night before in a freezing bike shop, will suffer a spontaneous blowout at 70 degrees.

Another urban legend. A tire filled to 110 psi at 32°F and heated to 70°F will go up to 126 psi. That's not near enough to cause a blow-off.

trekkie820 05-29-09 08:34 AM

Race cars use nitrogen to limit the pressure variation when the tire heats up and cools down. Bicycles do not even come close to requiring this, even the Tour bikes (whose tires do not really see abnormal abuse). Air is 80% nitrogen to begin with. Even ole Lance uses straight air.

kamtsa 05-29-09 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by bikingbrit (Post 9003984)
... And if cyclists were concerned with this they would not fill up with CO2 which leaks much faster than air!

I wonder how fast this gas would leak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi7lTeXZu0o

Kam

riot2003 05-29-09 10:28 AM

Thanks for the info, everyone.

njkayaker 05-29-09 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by trekkie820 (Post 9004350)
Race cars use nitrogen to limit the pressure variation when the tire heats up and cools down.

Nah, they do it because N2 is cheap, convenient, and not flammable!

(Issues with "pressure variation" are due to condensed water changing between a liquid and gas.)

Al1943 05-29-09 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by dvs cycles (Post 9003902)
My friend owned a bike shop and also filled his race car's tires with it so he thought he'd try it in the bike tires too. He said it changed the ride to a much harsher rougher feel so he went back to good old LA smog.

He was probably not use to having his tires properly inflated.

Panthers007 05-29-09 01:16 PM

How about using Hydrogen? The ultra-lightweight weenie-gas of choice! Check at the Big-Bang Bicycle Works in Lakehurst, NJ.


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