AdamDZ

I am most definitely not a hipster and I own a singlespeed, not fixed though, freewheel with brakes I am kinda considering selling it to raise money for a road bike but if I decide to keep it for summer I may get such tool. It looks like the Surly tool doesn't have tire lever though?

Why chain whip?

A.

AEO

no, it's a piece of ****.
You say 'you've heard good things' well, have you ever tried it yourself? I haven't, but I can tell you that my 6" adjustable is barely enough for me to torque down my axle nuts with my hands. And this POS requires you to step on it? that's a seriously good way to round off and marr your nuts. It's no ego inflation, you're getting too defensive. My opinion is straight forward, from someone who actually wrenches on bikes and likes to use tools that don't destroy parts.
You're inflating your ego by holding your 'hipster' opinions higher than what people who actually have the audacity to say 'it's ****, no way I'll use it'. what do you want? yes-men? you might find those at yes-men.net, but this is mechanics.

If we don't like it for whatever reason, we'll tell you why we don't like it, based upon our experience.
stepping on a tool to get it to work is a serious design flaw, but hey, if you like the dexterity and finesse of your foot over you hand, then by all means, go find more yes-men.

AEO

if you break a spoke on the drive side, you'll need it to get the cog off and insert a new spoke in the hub.
or someone who rides at the track wants to ride to a velodrome and change cogs to track gearing...
or if you're unsure of the work you did on properly tightening down your cog...

I can tell you I don't carry one because my cog and lock ring are on properly and I don't do brevets that require self support and maintenance in rural areas.

roadfix

A bottle opener is an important tool for some. This nicely machined titanium bottle opener comes with a 15mm wrench.

AEO

I have noodle arms so I need 6".

cnnrmccloskey

excuse me, if you'll note I never said its a quality tool infact not a single post of mine in this thread has said ANYTHING about its quality other than "I will not assume by a picture"
I'm not holding any opinions about it, thats pretty obvious if you read my posts, actualy your pretty damn guilty of the exact thing you acuse me of, "no, it's a piece of ****.
You say 'you've heard good things' well, have you ever tried it yourself? I haven't"
so you say its a peice of **** and admit that you have no basis for thinking this.
and I also specificaly pointed out that these are not designed for quality, I don't buy ****ty tools, infact my allied wrenches are one of the few tools I own that are not park tools
I'm not defending the tool i've made no comments to its quality, I have simply stated that trashing on a tool based on a picture is a fools move. prove to me its a crappy tool. thats all I ask

I've only seen one person whos used the tool, they say it works well I have absolutely no reason to assume it is not top notch

roadfix

For the most part if you use quality track nuts which can bite into the trackends you really don't need to torque those suckers down that much.

cnnrmccloskey

Oh and I carry a chainwhip just in case, I carry enough that it doesn't really matter I have a pretty light one that I carry with me and I leave my big heavy park whip at home

kmcrawford111

The only wrench I consider as "needing" while riding is 15mm to remove the rear wheel on my Swobo Dixon. Since I feel that I need only a 15mm wrench, I prefer to carry a fixed one (for a perfect fit, and a zero-maintenance one-piece tool) that also has a tire lever instead of an adjustable. What other wrench would I "need" anyway - at least for anything I'd be fixing in the field? Especially with a little 6" adjustable? My brakes are (1) disc, with nowhere to use an open wrench, and (2) v - what's the worst that can happen there? A pad comes loose? I've never had that happen, and even if it did it's not like I couldn't ride.

Hex keys? Check, Topeak Toolbar, which also has two tire levers (though I lost one - another reason why I bought the 3wrencho).
Pump? Check, Topeak Turbo Morph G.
Spare tube, check.
Patch kit, check - Park GP-2.

Where did I ever say I keep my tools in my pockets? I have a small zippered tool pouch where I carry the above (sans pump) plus a spare taillight, a tire boot, a spare lock key, an alcohol wipe, a 3/16" allen wrench for my vintage Trek seatpost binder bolt, a spare o-ring for my Dinotte lights, and two spare mini bungee cords. This goes in the messenger bag I'm almost always carrying while riding.

I don't find that stepping on it is a requirement wither proper torquing - I believe the description says that to indicate that it's possible to do so.

Folks in this thread should relax a little. Getting out and riding would help. I'm feeling that way myself. Hope I can commute at least part of the way tomorrow, but there's a big snowstorm coming.

roadfix

All my tools roll in this bag on the Steamroller:

well biked

Soil Sampler, great thread. It's hilarious.....a pic is posted of a tool, no comments in the OP, no question, just a pic..... and so far we've got two pages of strong opinions, heated discussion, name calling, etc.

AEO

chromed drop outs.

roadfix

Good thing it wasn't posted over in the FG forum...

roadfix

Won't bite! De-chrome!

cnnrmccloskey

I know what you mean well biked I never get to argue this much in the mechanics forum, I really was missing out, arguing in the SS/FG forum has gotten old.

AEO

operator is talking about quality

I'm talking about ergonomics of the design. 4" and they say 'use your foot'
the only things that should require you to use your foot are foot pumps, foot jacks and soccer balls.

how are you going to align your wheel in the drop out while having to pull this yoga position to use the tool?

cnnrmccloskey

I don't even think 4" is too short to get enough leverage I'm a big person, I was simply pointing out that they do address the lack of leverage for those who just don't have the muscle mass to do it

and I don't know what you mean by "operator is talking about quality" I know what operator is saying and I'm simply saying that I would rather have the opinion of someone who is less qualified than operator who has actualy used the tool.
if operator had the tool and was saying "this tool *is* of poor quality" it would be different but hes just talking about the picture, I appeciate his input I know hes a top notch wrench but that doesn't change the fact that I am just not gonna put stock in someones opinion based on a photo

"how are you going to align your wheel in the drop out while having to pull this yoga position to use the tool? "
I don't imagine this being hard at all

it almost seems like a clever idea to have it designed to be foot powered as the average cyclist is likely to have stronger legs than arms, I'm sure it would be a pain to have to do thoughk

oh yeah I neglected to mention I carry my park BO-2 in my toolbag, can't leave that at home (least til I get one of these)
its actualy the only park tool I carry with me on the road, thats kind of making me laugh at the moment

top506

I was just in Portland. No one there has heard of this outfit.
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Yan 

My post was not in response to yours.

Nice Carradice Barley bag Roadfix. I have one too. You should get the Viva bag loops from Velo Orange.

Kimmo

Cute tool, cute name. No affiliation?

Pff. I hate when I have to use one lever, let alone two.

Hardly ever need two. And I'm talking about almost everything but kevlar-beaded road tyres.

There is quite a bit of technique to it, though

cnnrmccloskey

Doesn't change the fact that they're local, I briefly met on of the fellows that works there nice guy (not that that says anything about the tool/company). They don't sell much I'm not really surprised that not many have heard of it but both the mechanics at the shop I go to had at least heard of them (I've been eyeing this tool for a long while now).

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Soil_Sampler

you are welcome.

Panthers007

Get a delegated wrench for tightening/loosening axle-bolts. A 6 inch adjustable is fine for road use.

As for tire-levers, this is the last word, IMHO, in on the road tire-levers:

https://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...item_id=VR-425

fuzz2050

but it doesn't open bottles, and would you really trust france to manufacture anything?

San Rensho 

I was going to say that the fact that the wrench is short, makes it a good design. Its really easy to overtorque bicycle fasteners when using a standard combination wrench. Clean, oiled threads and the short handled wrench is just right.