No wedge inside stem? How do I remove this stem?
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No wedge inside stem? How do I remove this stem?
I'm trying to remove the stem from an old Peugeot. There is a hex bolt on the top of the stem which I assumed was connected to a wedge. I unscrewed the hex bolt and it came all the way out. I can now look directly down through the stem, down through the fork - there's no wedge in there! The stem and fork turn as one.
Is it possible that the previous owner lost the wedge during maintenance (it wouldn't be the only screw-up with this bike) and the stem and fork are held together only by rust? They seem pretty solid.
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Is it possible that the previous owner lost the wedge during maintenance (it wouldn't be the only screw-up with this bike) and the stem and fork are held together only by rust? They seem pretty solid.
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I'm trying to remove the stem from an old Peugeot. There is a hex bolt on the top of the stem which I assumed was connected to a wedge. I unscrewed the hex bolt and it came all the way out. I can now look directly down through the stem, down through the fork - there's no wedge in there! The stem and fork turn as one.
Is it possible that the previous owner lost the wedge during maintenance (it wouldn't be the only screw-up with this bike) and the stem and fork are held together only by rust? They seem pretty solid.
Is it possible that the previous owner lost the wedge during maintenance (it wouldn't be the only screw-up with this bike) and the stem and fork are held together only by rust? They seem pretty solid.
Take the bolt and screw it back in until it bottoms. Then back it out three or four turns. Tap the top of the bolt with a hammer and the wedge should pop loose.
After that, the stem should turn freely. If it doesn't, it may be corroded and stuck- STFF for solutions on how to remove old, stuck parts.
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Exactly right of course, thanks dvs cycles and Jeff Wills. The hammer did the job and it came apart easily.
Interesting, the bearings against the upper race are in a cage, while the bearings against the lower race are loose. I wonder if that was the original design?
Interesting, the bearings against the upper race are in a cage, while the bearings against the lower race are loose. I wonder if that was the original design?
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The prior owner probably rebuilt the headset replacing the lower balls with loose either because he couldn't find the identical retainer, or because he felt that loose balls would prolong the life of the headest. He might have chosen to leave the top set as original because most heaset wear occurs at the bottom.
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I doubt it. The original balls probably came in retainers which makes life easier for bike factories.
The prior owner probably rebuilt the headset replacing the lower balls with loose either because he couldn't find the identical retainer, or because he felt that loose balls would prolong the life of the headest. He might have chosen to leave the top set as original because most heaset wear occurs at the bottom.
The prior owner probably rebuilt the headset replacing the lower balls with loose either because he couldn't find the identical retainer, or because he felt that loose balls would prolong the life of the headest. He might have chosen to leave the top set as original because most heaset wear occurs at the bottom.
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good old loose ball bearing headsets...
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Until you turn around too fast and hit the frame with your chin and knock all the bearings onto the floor. Don't ask how I know this.
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However all of the headsets I've ever worked with that used individual bearing balls in retainers came OEM with retainers both top and bottom. I never came across one factory supplied with a retainer on top and loose balls (sound better?) in the bottom race.
I did replaced the lower retainer with loose balls during overhauls to share the load better and a couple of times to get another season out of a "brinelled" crown race.
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Indeed, it is a painful image.
However all of the headsets I've ever worked with that used individual bearing balls in retainers came OEM with retainers both top and bottom. I never came across one factory supplied with a retainer on top and loose balls (sound better?) in the bottom race.
I did replaced the lower retainer with loose balls during overhauls to share the load better and a couple of times to get another season out of a "brinelled" crown race.
However all of the headsets I've ever worked with that used individual bearing balls in retainers came OEM with retainers both top and bottom. I never came across one factory supplied with a retainer on top and loose balls (sound better?) in the bottom race.
I did replaced the lower retainer with loose balls during overhauls to share the load better and a couple of times to get another season out of a "brinelled" crown race.
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