Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Shimano 105 Chainrings triple vs double--any difference?

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Shimano 105 Chainrings triple vs double--any difference?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-08-11 | 01:41 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Shimano 105 Chainrings triple vs double--any difference?

I'm fitting out a new frame I got for Christmas with many of the parts from my old bike.
2003 Allez Elite Triple moving to Allez Comp. I couldn't use my old 105 front derailleur as it was a clamp on and the new frame is a braze on. So, I bought a new 105 triple for the front. The old 105 handled a 52, 42, 30. The new one cannot handle that span of 22 teeth, and requires at least an 11 tooth difference between the big and middle rings. So it's either buying another derailleur or getting two new chain rings to have a 50, 39, 30.

With that said, what is the difference (besides price) between the 50, and 42 rings for a double and those for a triple front?

If this has been answered before, please tell what to search for, or post a link to the the discussion.
musterion is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 01:56 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,438
Likes: 9
From: Oklahoma

Bikes: Trek 5500, Colnago C-50

Triple middle rings have ramps and pins to assist lifting the chain from the granny gear.
Compare the width of the derailleur across the inside of the rails. The difference in chain width may be a problem.
There have been inconsistent reports on how well a 10-speed triple front derailleur works with a 10-speed drive train.
You could always try it and see.
I think the 9-speed triple FD is more forgiving to incompatibilities. If the 10-speed triple FD doesn't work well try to find a Shimano 9-speed braze-on type FD, Ultegra, 105, or Tiagra should work.
Al1943 is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 02:05 PM
  #3  
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Al1943
Triple middle rings have ramps and pins to assist lifting the chain from the granny gear.
Compare the width of the derailleur across the inside of the rails. The difference in chain width may be a problem.
There have been inconsistent reports on how well a 10-speed triple front derailleur works with a 10-speed drive train.
You could always try it and see.
I think the 9-speed triple FD is more forgiving to incompatibilities. If the 10-speed triple FD doesn't work well try to find a Shimano 9-speed braze-on type FD, Ultegra, 105, or Tiagra should work.
So, by inference, the 50t big ring would not have much of a difference, but the middle is more significant. I've got a 9 speed in the back--how does this help or hurt?

Last edited by musterion; 01-08-11 at 02:06 PM. Reason: bad english, spelling
musterion is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 03:19 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,438
Likes: 9
From: Oklahoma

Bikes: Trek 5500, Colnago C-50

Originally Posted by musterion
So, by inference, the 50t big ring would not have much of a difference, but the middle is more significant. I've got a 9 speed in the back--how does this help or hurt?
There is also a difference in synchronization but I think that is not a big problem. The 9-speed cassette is not an issue, the chain width may be an issue. The 9-speed chain is wider, the 10-speed front derailleur is probably a bit narrower than the 9-speed FD.
Since you already have the 10-speed triple FD, why not try it. If you have problems you could try a new 10-speed chain, I think it would work OK with the old cassette and crankset. But try the old cassette, chain, and crankset first.
Al1943 is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 03:21 PM
  #5  
ryker's Avatar
Slow mechanic
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
From: Calgary
On one of my bikes I am running a Shimano front derailleur designed for 50/39/30 rings but with 52/42/30 rings. No problems.

On another of my bikes I am running a Shimano front derailleur designed for 50/39/30 rings but with 50/39/28 rings. No problems.

If you're feeling experimental, you may find your existing components interoperate just fine.
ryker is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 04:30 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,579
Likes: 6
From: Pearland, Texas

Bikes: Cannondale, Trek, Raleigh, Santana

musterion, Two things, first make sure that the clamp-on FD isn't a braze-on FD in an adapter clamp. If it isn't, try the new FD.

Brad
bradtx is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 05:33 PM
  #7  
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
bradtx: No it definitely was a clamp on. It was the "stock" FD on the bike.

ryker: How I noticed this problem was when I was fitting the FD with the sticky that comes on it, I noticed that the inner part of the cage would not clear the teeth of the middle gear. Do you have your FD set a bit high on the 52/42/30 so the inner cage clears? How would this affect shifting?
musterion is offline  
Reply
Old 01-08-11 | 09:35 PM
  #8  
cab horn
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 28,353
Likes: 31
From: Toronto

Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione

Originally Posted by musterion
bradtx: No it definitely was a clamp on. It was the "stock" FD on the bike.

ryker: How I noticed this problem was when I was fitting the FD with the sticky that comes on it, I noticed that the inner part of the cage would not clear the teeth of the middle gear. Do you have your FD set a bit high on the 52/42/30 so the inner cage clears? How would this affect shifting?
It slows down actuation into each ring, the higher the derailleur is from the optimum low position. That being said, i've seen some ridiciculous amount of gaps before with no loss of front derailleur performance.

YMMV.
operator is offline  
Reply
Old 01-09-11 | 11:36 PM
  #9  
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
From: GMT +07:00
different a couple of grams in weight maybe...
raspberri is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ClarkinHawaii
Bicycle Mechanics
3
09-08-14 05:21 PM
EuroTrashDude
Bicycle Mechanics
5
09-01-14 12:01 AM
level37
Bicycle Mechanics
11
08-19-11 07:05 AM
frank_maccfc
Bicycle Mechanics
11
02-14-11 11:54 PM
SteelCan
Bicycle Mechanics
2
04-18-10 08:56 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.