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Leukybear 03-07-11 12:35 PM

Relacing a hub advice needed
 
I have a philwood high flange hub that was threaded 3 cross; can I relace it safely 2 cross style?

Can anyone further explain why there is the common belief that a hub should be relaced the way it as originally?

fietsbob 03-07-11 12:42 PM

the aluminum conforms to the tension the spoke J hook end pulls into the hole.

Whats wrong with 3 cross, you building a smaller diameter wheel?

Leukybear 03-07-11 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 12326181)
Whats wrong with 3 cross, you building a smaller diameter wheel?

I was just aiming for something that looks similar to radial lacing but much stronger. I plan to use aero sapim cx ray spokes.

chewa 03-07-11 12:59 PM

I don't think there is any reason you can't do 2 cross (spoke lengths will be slightly different), but I think you may lose a bit of strength

Leukybear 03-07-11 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chewa (Post 12326265)
but I think you may lose a bit of strength

Would this be the same case if I laced it again 3 cross? [in terms of relacing]

mrrabbit 03-07-11 02:59 PM

Go ahead and do 2 cross if you'd like. Do try to put spoke the same inside, outside, push and pulling orientationsdirections as before.

=8-)

fietsbob 03-07-11 04:00 PM

3 cross using the pre bedded orientation, would be Ideal.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.

Leukybear 03-07-11 04:39 PM

Here's a somewhat close example of what I'm aiming at minus the red anodize and black cx ray spokes. Anybody know the lacing pattern of the wheel in this picture? Sorry I'm not really that technically informed in the wheel section.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/...58db4318_o.jpg

FBinNY 03-07-11 05:04 PM

That's a 2 cross pattern.

Leukybear 03-07-11 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 12327397)
That's a 2 cross pattern.

That's great; talk about luck, I just got it from google :D

FBinNY 03-07-11 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leukybear (Post 12327408)
That's great; talk about luck, I just got it from google :D

Identifying normal patterns is very complicated.

Count how many spokes any spoke crosses on it's route from the hub to the rim. If none it's radial, above that it's the number of crosses. Don't forget to count the first cross down near the hub which many miss on higher cross patterns.

operator 03-07-11 06:20 PM

Your phil wood hub has coined spoke holes. Relacing it to anything is fine.

Leukybear 03-07-11 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by operator (Post 12327754)
Your phil wood hub has coined spoke holes. Relacing it to anything is fine.

That's great news! :D Now does anyone mind enlightening conceptually on these "coined spoke holes"?

mrrabbit 03-07-11 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leukybear (Post 12328052)
That's great news! :D Now does anyone mind enlightening conceptually on these "coined spoke holes"?

Even the spare change in your pockets disappeared when you bought those hubs...

=8-)

Drew Eckhardt 03-07-11 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 12327104)
3 cross using the pre bedded orientation, would be Ideal.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.

DT Aerolite and Sapim CX Ray spokes are 2.3mm in the long dimension so they'll go through the typical 2.5mm round holes in hubs.

Leukybear 03-08-11 01:51 PM

Thanks guys for all your replies!


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