Relacing a hub advice needed
03-07-11 | 12:35 PM
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Relacing a hub advice needed
I have a philwood high flange hub that was threaded 3 cross; can I relace it safely 2 cross style?
Can anyone further explain why there is the common belief that a hub should be relaced the way it as originally?
Can anyone further explain why there is the common belief that a hub should be relaced the way it as originally?
03-07-11 | 12:48 PM
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03-07-11 | 12:59 PM
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I don't think there is any reason you can't do 2 cross (spoke lengths will be slightly different), but I think you may lose a bit of strength
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1985 Sandy Gilchrist-Colin Laing built 531c Audax/fast tourer.
1964 Flying Scot Continental (531)
1995 Cinelli Supercorsa (Columbus SLX)
1980s Holdsworth Mistral fixed (531)
2005 Dahon Speed 6 (folder)
(YES I LIKE STEEL)
2008 Viking Saratoga tandem
2008 Micmo Sirocco Hybrid (aluminium!)
2012 BTwin Rockrider 8.1
03-07-11 | 01:41 PM
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03-07-11 | 02:59 PM
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Go ahead and do 2 cross if you'd like. Do try to put spoke the same inside, outside, push and pulling orientationsdirections as before.
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03-07-11 | 04:00 PM
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3 cross using the pre bedded orientation, would be Ideal.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.
Last edited by fietsbob; 03-07-11 at 04:03 PM.
03-07-11 | 04:39 PM
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Here's a somewhat close example of what I'm aiming at minus the red anodize and black cx ray spokes. Anybody know the lacing pattern of the wheel in this picture? Sorry I'm not really that technically informed in the wheel section.
03-07-11 | 05:04 PM
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That's a 2 cross pattern.
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03-07-11 | 05:25 PM
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Identifying normal patterns is very complicated.
Count how many spokes any spoke crosses on it's route from the hub to the rim. If none it's radial, above that it's the number of crosses. Don't forget to count the first cross down near the hub which many miss on higher cross patterns.
Count how many spokes any spoke crosses on it's route from the hub to the rim. If none it's radial, above that it's the number of crosses. Don't forget to count the first cross down near the hub which many miss on higher cross patterns.
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03-07-11 | 07:25 PM
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03-07-11 | 08:53 PM
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5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
5000+ wheels built since 1984...
Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
03-07-11 | 09:00 PM
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3 cross using the pre bedded orientation, would be Ideal.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.
a set of double butted non blade spokes .
have no idea what features aero sapim cx ray spokes have, but,
AFAIK, as bladed spokes are wider in the center, than the hole
so the holes have to be cut out to get the flattened part thru.
