Need help on old SIW rear hub
#1
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Kansas...where the wind is my hill!
Posts: 31
Bikes: Vintage stuff
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Need help on old SIW rear hub
Can anyone help me find a tutorial or guide for servicing an old SIW made in Japan rear hub on an old Panasonic sport deluxe road bike I'm fixing up?
I need to know if all the small ball bearings behind the cassette need oil or grease (not the cone bearings). This takes tools that I don't have but I managed to get the cassette off but getting it back on with all those ball bearings looks daunting....
I'm new to this so I hope this is the correct forum..
Thanks.
I need to know if all the small ball bearings behind the cassette need oil or grease (not the cone bearings). This takes tools that I don't have but I managed to get the cassette off but getting it back on with all those ball bearings looks daunting....
I'm new to this so I hope this is the correct forum..
Thanks.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,688
Mentioned: 46 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1074 Post(s)
Liked 295 Times
in
222 Posts
Sounds like you have a freewheel, not a freehub. F/Ws can be serviced, but is usually not seen worth the bother. Flush if they're gritty, dribble in some oil.
The bearing that allows the sprocket(s) to coast is one of the least stressed bearings of the whole bike, only having to carry the weight of the chain. Doesn't take much to keep it happy.
The bearing that allows the sprocket(s) to coast is one of the least stressed bearings of the whole bike, only having to carry the weight of the chain. Doesn't take much to keep it happy.
#3
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Kansas...where the wind is my hill!
Posts: 31
Bikes: Vintage stuff
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Sounds like you have a freewheel, not a freehub. F/Ws can be serviced, but is usually not seen worth the bother. Flush if they're gritty, dribble in some oil.
The bearing that allows the sprocket(s) to coast is one of the least stressed bearings of the whole bike, only having to carry the weight of the chain. Doesn't take much to keep it happy.
The bearing that allows the sprocket(s) to coast is one of the least stressed bearings of the whole bike, only having to carry the weight of the chain. Doesn't take much to keep it happy.
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,716
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5787 Post(s)
Liked 2,580 Times
in
1,430 Posts
Yes, go ahead and use grease to reassemble the freewheel. The actual lubrication needs are slight, since the freewheel never has parts moving under load. (freewheeling=no load, loaded pedaling = no internal moving parts). As a general rule the ratchet area shouldn't be greased since the pawl springs may not be strong enough to overcome greases viscosity. But a thin film won't present any issues.
The only drawback of using on the freewheel's bearings is it might add a tiny bit of drag when coasting. This is tiny and inconsequential, but if it bothers you you can add oil afterward to thin or wash out the greabut
The only drawback of using on the freewheel's bearings is it might add a tiny bit of drag when coasting. This is tiny and inconsequential, but if it bothers you you can add oil afterward to thin or wash out the greabut
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#5
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Kansas...where the wind is my hill!
Posts: 31
Bikes: Vintage stuff
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yes, go ahead and use grease to reassemble the freewheel. The actual lubrication needs are slight, since the freewheel never has parts moving under load. (freewheeling=no load, loaded pedaling = no internal moving parts). As a general rule the ratchet area shouldn't be greased since the pawl springs may not be strong enough to overcome greases viscosity. But a thin film won't present any issues.
The only drawback of using on the freewheel's bearings is it might add a tiny bit of drag when coasting. This is tiny and inconsequential, but if it bothers you you can add oil afterward to thin or wash out the greabut
The only drawback of using on the freewheel's bearings is it might add a tiny bit of drag when coasting. This is tiny and inconsequential, but if it bothers you you can add oil afterward to thin or wash out the greabut
#6
Senior Member
I redo freewheels all the time. They're time-consuming and a bit messy, but easy enough to do. You can PM me if you need help.
#7
Mechanic/Tourist
Next time be aware that the freewheel comes off as a unit with an inexpensive tool and long wrench or vise. See Sheldon or Park sites next time you take on something you have not done before. Otherwise you may learn something else as useless as how to overhaul a freewheel.
#8
Senior Member
I agree with bikemeister , I too do them all the time ,they can be messy ,time consuming but easy to do once you know how .
#9
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Kansas...where the wind is my hill!
Posts: 31
Bikes: Vintage stuff
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
At least its clean and lubed in there now.
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,716
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5787 Post(s)
Liked 2,580 Times
in
1,430 Posts
Curious. Was the lesson how to put one together. Or not to bother taking it apart, and servicing it by soaking in a tub of solvent, then drying and oiling it?
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.