Wheel Rebuild Question
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Wheel Rebuild Question
I plan to have Harris Cyclery rebuild the rear wheel (rim is bent) to my 1963 AMF Hercules. The hub is a S.A. AW with (EDIT) 40 spokes. Would it be inadvisable to reuse those old spokes? To lower the gearing, I also plan to replace the original 18 tooth sprocket with a 23 tooth. Should a new chain also be used with this new combination?
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Most shops much prefer to use new spokes. It offers them a much better chance to guarantee their work and it's faster to build with new stuff. For any bike that's actually been ridden, there'll be a signifiant number of nipples that'll resist turning quite vigorously.
And if you're getting a new rim, it's anybody's guess whether the measurements of that rim will work together with your old spokes anyhow.
If you're paying for the work, pay for the spokes too.
ANd while SS/IGH bikes do wear sprockets rather slowly, you'll probably need a couple of extra links anyhow. Good time to splurge on a new chain, they're not expensive.
And if you're getting a new rim, it's anybody's guess whether the measurements of that rim will work together with your old spokes anyhow.
If you're paying for the work, pay for the spokes too.
ANd while SS/IGH bikes do wear sprockets rather slowly, you'll probably need a couple of extra links anyhow. Good time to splurge on a new chain, they're not expensive.
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"SS/IGH..." EDIT: internal gear hub but what's meant by the term "SS"???
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Reuse of the old spokes depends on their condition. However 14g galvanized spokes are pretty inexpensive, so you might want to start fresh for cosmetic reasons of no other.
You'll definitely need a longer chain to wrap the additional 5 teeth, so a new chain is necessary.
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A question of timing. Obviously I posted before you edited. But that was only a minor point on the way to answering your questions.
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I've transplanted an old, identical, less beat up rim to a hub to replace a more beat up rim using the same spokes.
It's a pain. Even using new nipples the spoke threads don't "corrode" evenly and the "feedback" to the spoke wrench is all over the place.
A shop will typically just cut out the old spokes to save time.
Even if a shop was willing to reuse the old spokes, the additional time/labor charge would likely exceed the cost of new spokes.
It's a pain. Even using new nipples the spoke threads don't "corrode" evenly and the "feedback" to the spoke wrench is all over the place.
A shop will typically just cut out the old spokes to save time.
Even if a shop was willing to reuse the old spokes, the additional time/labor charge would likely exceed the cost of new spokes.
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Just curious, but why are you using Harris ? Is it close to you or some kinda special deal ?
If it's not close and you're doing this by mail, consider other alternatives for your project.
If it's not close and you're doing this by mail, consider other alternatives for your project.
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Weeks ago I posted an inquiry if there's a suitable rebuilder located between Jacksonville and Gainesville, FLA and Savannah, GA as I live halfway in between near the FLA border. And so far I haven't received any replies to my inquiry. 8(((
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To all a great many thanks for the replies and I'll get new spokes. Now, if I could just find a competent rebuilder around either Jacksonville, Gainesville or Savannah. ...a little help, please in order to save some shipping co$t$.
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https://www.bikeforums.net/forumdispl.../234-Southeast
I love the area, but I've got nobody left there who I know.
Also, when you do find someone, even f an experienced wheel guy,
he may not have done one of these hubs before. Because the shell
and flanges are steel, the flange is narrower than on an alloy hub.
You have to either use small washers on the elbow ends at the flange,
or pay particular attention to relieving stress at the elbow and resetting
the spoke line so it is supported at the flange or you will get premature
failure from flex in that area.
It's not important that you understand, so much as that the wheel guy
who's doing this for you does. Good luck.
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I plan to have Harris Cyclery rebuild the rear wheel (rim is bent) to my 1963 AMF Hercules. The hub is a S.A. AW with (EDIT) 40 spokes. Would it be inadvisable to reuse those old spokes? To lower the gearing, I also plan to replace the original 18 tooth sprocket with a 23 tooth. Should a new chain also be used with this new combination?
As a shop dealing with customers, I would _never_ ruse spokes. You don't know how the wheels were originally built and don't want to risk your reputation.
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SS ? Not my post, could mean Stainless Steel. rather than single speed ..
Back in the day Zn treated steel spokes were the norm.
40 rear 32 spoke front was a reasonable pairing , considering the weight bias,
sitting on the bike, upright..
Back in the day Zn treated steel spokes were the norm.
40 rear 32 spoke front was a reasonable pairing , considering the weight bias,
sitting on the bike, upright..
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There are a number of good shops in that area. Most decent shops have experienced wheelbuilders on staff, and this your wheel is a straightforward job that shouldn't strain their resources. Your best bet is to ask around locally, maybe look up a club in the internet.
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DT Swiss Certified wheel builders = marketing channel... marketing cert.
A manufacturer stamping 'certified' on anyone is of dubious quality. Some might well be fine.. some may not be.
Their making sure their wind-up's don't get out.. wound up.
A manufacturer stamping 'certified' on anyone is of dubious quality. Some might well be fine.. some may not be.
Their making sure their wind-up's don't get out.. wound up.
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SA hubs of your vintage rarely need service other than maybe a flush, and re-oil. If it isn't giving you any problems, you can add 3-4 drops of a heavy mineral oil and simply rebuild the wheel. Otherwise, you might let Harris or Yellow Jersey in Madison quote for the hub rebuild and wheel rebuild as a single bundle. The shipping from either won't be a killer compared to the total cost.
OTOH, if you make some phone calls I'm sure you can find someone closer. I know some people in Wash DC, and you might try Mark at Decatur Bike in Atlanta.
OTOH, if you make some phone calls I'm sure you can find someone closer. I know some people in Wash DC, and you might try Mark at Decatur Bike in Atlanta.
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I don't know if internal parts are still available for those hubs, if any are badly worn. The chinese stuff may not be 100% interchangable, like I know that I couldn't get a new rear axle for my old rear freewheel drum brake, the new X-RD drum brake parts weren't compatible.
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Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life



