Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Threading A Threadless Fork?

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Threading A Threadless Fork?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-29-14 | 10:39 PM
  #1  
jyl's Avatar
jyl
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,643
Likes: 68
From: Portland OR

Bikes: 61 Bianchi Specialissima 71 Peugeot G50 7? P'geot PX10 74 Raleigh GranSport 75 P'geot UO8 78? Raleigh Team Pro 82 P'geot PSV 86 P'geot PX 91 Bridgestone MB0 92 B'stone XO1 97 Rans VRex 92 Cannondale R1000 94 B'stone MB5 97 Vitus 997

Threading A Threadless Fork?

Is it possible to thread a 1" threadless fork, so that it will work with a 1" threaded headset?

Anyone done this or had it done?

Why - I have an older bike that I'd like to convert to front disc for winter/rain/crud riding. But I don't like the look of older bikes with threadless headsets and stems.

And, anyone know of a carbon, disc, 700C, roadbike fork, with tight clearances (not some bow- legged cyclocross thing), with a 1" steerer suitable for threading?
jyl is offline  
Reply
Old 01-29-14 | 10:51 PM
  #2  
rpenmanparker's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 28,682
Likes: 63
From: Houston, TX

Bikes: 1990 Romic Reynolds 531 custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build, super light Workswell 066 custom build

Not only does the fork have to be able to be threaded, but the ID has to match
the OD of your quill stem. Choose a fork with a steel steerer and the right OD. Check that first.
rpenmanparker is offline  
Reply
Old 01-29-14 | 11:12 PM
  #3  
Jeff Wills's Avatar
Insane Bicycle Mechanic
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 10,153
Likes: 1,120
From: other Vancouver
Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Not only does the fork have to be able to be threaded, but the ID has to match
the OD of your quill stem. Choose a fork with a steel steerer and the right OD. Check that first.

Ding ding! The threadless forks steerer tubes I'm familiar with are typically less well finished than a similar threaded steerer tube. They might accept a quill stem... they might not.

I could be wrong. Check with Brett Flemming at Bike Gallery on Sandy (when he's around).
__________________
Jeff Wills

Comcast nuked my web page. It will return soon..
Jeff Wills is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 08:36 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by jyl
Why - I have an older bike that I'd like to convert to front disc for winter/rain/crud riding. But I don't like the look of older bikes with threadless headsets and stems.
You are going to go to a lot of trouble and possibly expense for a minor cosmetic difference on a bike used in dirty, sloppy conditions anyway. I'd swallow my pride and go threadless.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 09:03 AM
  #5  
cyccommute's Avatar
Mad bike riding scientist
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 29,136
Likes: 6,180
From: Denver, CO

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Originally Posted by Jeff Wills
Ding ding! The threadless forks steerer tubes I'm familiar with are typically less well finished than a similar threaded steerer tube. They might accept a quill stem... they might not.

I could be wrong. Check with Brett Flemming at Bike Gallery on Sandy (when he's around).
As my Pappy used to say: "Hogwarsh!" The tubing used for a threaded or threadless fork has the same diameter and "finish". You seem to be implying that threadless steer tubes are an inferior product which is not what I have observed in a couple of decades of bicycle wrenching.

Originally Posted by jyl
Is it possible to thread a 1" threadless fork, so that it will work with a 1" threaded headset?

Anyone done this or had it done?

Why - I have an older bike that I'd like to convert to front disc for winter/rain/crud riding. But I don't like the look of older bikes with threadless headsets and stems.

And, anyone know of a carbon, disc, 700C, roadbike fork, with tight clearances (not some bow- legged cyclocross thing), with a 1" steerer suitable for threading?
Yes, it is possible but there are many caveats. First, the bike won't have the channel for a keyed washer. The keyed washer isn't absolutely necessary and would only be a problem with a centerpull type of caliper brake since the key keeps the hanger and brake anchor point from turning. That's not going to be an issue with a disk brake and isn't really an issue with a centerpull type since there are lots of hangers that clamp to the stem for threadless headsets.

Threading isn't that much of a problem if you have access to stem thread cutter. If you don't, don't even think about it since a Park FTS-1 threading set will cost you north of $250 if you are lucky. That's a lot of green for something that you'll use maybe once.

The really big problem is going to be finding a 1" fork that is disc brake ready. 1" forks are rare as hen's teeth as it is. 1" forks that can handle a disc brake start to enter Big Foot territory, i.e. they're mythical.
__________________
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!





cyccommute is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 01:17 PM
  #6  
Tim_Iowa's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 6
From: Cedar Rapids, IA

Bikes: 1997 Rivendell Road Standard 650b conversion (tourer), 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10 (gravel/tour), 2013 Foundry Auger disc (CX/gravel), 2016 Cannondale Fat CAAD 2 (MTB/winter), 2011 Cannondale Flash 29er Lefty (trail MTB)

Originally Posted by cyccommute
As my Pappy used to say: "Hogwarsh!" The tubing used for a threaded or threadless fork has the same diameter and "finish". You seem to be implying that threadless steer tubes are an inferior product which is not what I have observed in a couple of decades of bicycle wrenching.
Counterpoint: Surly, a company no one accuses of under-engineering, states clearly that their threadless steer tubes are thinner, and not up to threading. They say it would be unsafe.

And, they say the diameter is all wrong, too.

https://surlybikes.com/info_hole/faqs...ess_surly_fork
[h=2]Can I thread a threadless Surly fork?[/h]No! Don't do it. Really, just don't; It's unsafe. The wall thickness of our forks' steer tubes is too thin to thread safely, and as well as the inside diameter won't be right for your quill stem.
Tim_Iowa is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 02:08 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
From: North Attleboro, MA

Bikes: Surly Steamroller

Surlys lawyers thought that response was best, regardless of the accuracy. It's a CYA answer, saying yes is a total liability.

I work in the medical distribution industry. I've worked in past with surgical instruments, as a product specialist. It was my job to answer similiar questions. Anything that I had posed to me that I couldn't answer without lying or creating a liability, I passed onto the legal department.
OneGoodLeg is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 02:16 PM
  #8  
Barrettscv's Avatar
Have bike, will travel
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 12,286
Likes: 317
From: Lake Geneva, WI

Bikes: Ridley Helium SLX, Canyon Endurance SL, De Rosa Professional, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Schwinn Paramount (1 painted, 1 chrome), Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Raleigh Roker, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2

Originally Posted by Tim_Iowa
Counterpoint: Surly, a company no one accuses of under-engineering, states clearly that their threadless steer tubes are thinner, and not up to threading. They say it would be unsafe.

And, they say the diameter is all wrong, too.

https://surlybikes.com/info_hole/faqs...ess_surly_fork
[h=2]Can I thread a threadless Surly fork?[/h]No! Don't do it. Really, just don't; It's unsafe. The wall thickness of our forks' steer tubes is too thin to thread safely, and as well as the inside diameter won't be right for your quill stem.
+1

Soma also does not recommend threading a thread-less fork steerer for the same reason.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 02:41 PM
  #9  
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast

Bikes: 8

Anyone done this or had it done?
certainly.. but how does that help you?

ship it out and Ill find people to do it. LBS has some Threading dies , but not a whole <C> frame Prep kit
like I expect JDT has ..


you have a bike shop on every corner and a bunch of frame-builders in PDX
go forth and get it done.

I have a fork that I got threaded a lot longer than I needed .. if I were to do it again

Id use a Mix Match . threadless headset and just thread the steerer very top,

a thin thru threaded Nut and the top lock nut would secure the whole deal ..

My use was a Touring bike, so like higher Bars.. .. as I gather, You want a Classic Race Bike look..

And, anyone know of a carbon, disc, 700C, roadbike fork, with tight clearances
(not some bow- legged cyclocross thing), with a 1" steerer suitable for threading?
this is where you hire a Custom Builders help , you need a steel steerer tine to make the threaded part Work


weight weenies want all Carbon fiber , these Days steerer and all

something using an Aluminum fork crown and bonding in a couple Carbon Fiber fork blades of round tube can be done ..

just dont as how much , the one off nature of a market of just You will push the cost Up.

Last edited by fietsbob; 01-30-14 at 02:47 PM.
fietsbob is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 05:23 PM
  #10  
FastJake's Avatar
Constant tinkerer
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 8,040
Likes: 156
From: Madison, WI
You are concerned about the look of a threadless headset on an old bike, but you don't mind putting a DISC BRAKE on? Get over the look, realize threadless is superior, then run the fork you find threadless.

Or get a 1" canti fork (which you can probably actually find), some Kool Stop salmon pads, and realize you don't need discs. Gee I'm helpful today
FastJake is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 05:39 PM
  #11  
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast

Bikes: 8

Drum brakes retro fit nicely and dont over stress a decent steel fork ..
fietsbob is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 05:45 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Originally Posted by cyccommute
As my Pappy used to say: "Hogwarsh!" The tubing used for a threaded or threadless fork has the same diameter and "finish". You seem to be implying that threadless steer tubes are an inferior product which is not what I have observed in a couple of decades of bicycle wrenching. .
I don't know what your Pappy used to wash hogs, but I doubt he said this as loosely as you're willing to. Fact is fork steerers come with various thickness walls.

This is just another example where the simple act of measuring would trump all the expertise or opinions here. Steerers intended for threading usually have a 1/16" wall and take a quill stem 1/8" smaller in diameter than the stem - ie. 1" fork = 7/8" stem, 11-1/8" fork = 1" (actual) stem.

There are exceptions to this, such as BMX forks which often have thicker walls and take a smaller .833" stem.

So that answers the first question --- 1" Steerer ID's are not all the same.

This also works in the opposite direction, with some makers of steel threadless forks using thinner tubes, resulting in a larger than standard ID. Not only isn't there enough wall to thread, there aren't any stems to match the larger ID.

So before anyone even consider cutting and threading a fork, they must first check whether a quill stem will fit. That will automatically answer whether it can be made into a threaded fork.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

Last edited by FBinNY; 01-30-14 at 05:50 PM.
FBinNY is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 05:46 PM
  #13  
squirtdad's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,473
Likes: 4,875
From: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca

Bikes: Kirk Custom JK Special, 86 De Rosa Pro, '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque

look at this thread https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...readed-steerer

simple answer no
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can.





squirtdad is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 07:07 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by fietsbob
Drum brakes retro fit nicely and dont over stress a decent steel fork ..
How would a drum brake not put the same kind of reaction forces into a fork as a disc?
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 07:15 PM
  #15  
Jeff Wills's Avatar
Insane Bicycle Mechanic
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 10,153
Likes: 1,120
From: other Vancouver
Originally Posted by cyccommute
As my Pappy used to say: "Hogwarsh!" The tubing used for a threaded or threadless fork has the same diameter and "finish". You seem to be implying that threadless steer tubes are an inferior product which is not what I have observed in a couple of decades of bicycle wrenching.
Well, I did say I might be wrong, and I also referred him to Brett, who's probably more current. I never said that threadless steerers were inferior, either, just built different.

Brett's a busy guy, though: chief mechanic at Bike Gallery, principal behind Efficient Velo Tools, guest lecturer at Specialized, and consultant for Shimano. I kind of wish I had his life, but I value my leisure time. FWIW: he and I attended Schwinn School in the same year (1980) with the same instructor (Jim Parrott). It's kind of fun comparing notes.
__________________
Jeff Wills

Comcast nuked my web page. It will return soon..
Jeff Wills is offline  
Reply
Old 01-30-14 | 07:26 PM
  #16  
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast

Bikes: 8

How would a drum brake not put the same kind of reaction forces into a fork as a disc?​
just doesn't come on as hard, easy to modulate, the strap that goes around the fork

for the reaction strut is 6" up from the fork tip.


and I've been running a drum brake hub set for 30+ years with out issues.. zero-zip-Nyet.
fietsbob is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Barrettscv
Framebuilders
22
10-26-13 07:40 AM
RoyIII
Bicycle Mechanics
10
04-03-12 08:49 AM
hule
Bicycle Mechanics
6
08-27-11 10:12 AM
EssEllSee
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
17
05-10-11 04:52 PM
gusmanchu
Road Cycling
9
11-08-10 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.