I'm in need of some tools but not sure if I should buy a kit or buy them separate and I am also wondering if anyone knows of any place in Canada that sells tools. The only one I have been able to find is Triboutique in Edmonton. I need the following and I'm on a budget.

FR-1, FR-3 and FR-7, BBT-22, FRW-1, Headset 36mm wrench for taking off fixed cups. and pin spanner.


Greg

A comment. You don't want to use a headset wrench to remove fixed cups. They are usually torqued on very tight and an open end headset wrench will spread under the load. Buy a proper fixed cup wrench like Park's HCW-4 which also includes a pin spanner.

As to sources in Canada, do the various US internet bike suppliers not ship to Canada?

Sheldon's use of a big bolt and a bunch of split-washers and a Nut ,
Big.. like the bolts that hold the wheels of a log truck on
is one fixed cup removal tool to make//

the 36mm headset wrench is for 1.1/8" threaded headsets ..

Yes but 36 mm is also the size of typical cup-and-cone bottom bracket fixed cups. A 36 mm headset wrench will fit the fixed cup but is unlikely to survive the experience.

I was looking at the HCW-4 but in the picture it didn't look big enough to go over the cup. I think I measured 36mm or 5/8".

Which way does the fixed cup come off CW or CCW.

AS far as the problem with the fixed cup, this is what I'm dealing with.

The HCW-4 is made just for the type of fixed cup you show and the "oval" opening is the end you place over the cup. BTW, 36 mm = 1.42" or about 1-27/64"

Assuming your bike uses an English bottom bracket (1.37x24tpi should be engraved on the adjustable cup) the fixed cup is left-hand threaded and unthreads clockwise.

I removed the fixed cup when I was overhauling a new-to-me mtb bike this fall and the lead mech mentioned they are called "fixed" because shouldn't be removed unless necessary - usually just clean and lube from the other side. Why are you removing it? (Just asking because I could learn something here...)

Also - be sure to use someting to hold your wrench onto the cup or it could slip off and bust knuckes or damage the fixed cup. I wonder if the reference to sheldon brown earlier was for that? Use large washers and a bolt going through to the other side of the frame to lightly clamp your wrench. Those fixed cups require a lot of torque to take off and put back on tight enough.

I very nice 12inch a adustible wrench will bust most BB's and hard work on nearly anything.

Depends on the threading. English and Swiss thread loosen clockwise; Italian and French loosen counter-clockwise. The vast majority of frames built in the last 20 years will loosen clockwise.

MEC sells Filzer tools... they should have everything you need.

" If at first you don't succeed , try a bigger Hammer.. "

I have membership at MEC but the last couple of tools I got from them broke very easy so I'm looking at other tools companies. I know there is also Pedro's but I thought that there was another brand that is used a lot here in Canada but I can't remember the name.

I bought a 12inch adjustable but this cup won't budge so I guess that I'll just leave it. All the parts of this bike are going to be spare parts anyway so I'll just leave it. I was hoping to have a complete set of the Bottom Bracket assembly.

I made up a very inexpensive clamp to hold the fixed cup tool in place. I bought a 4" long 5/8" bolt, a matching nut and two large diameter washers.

1. Remove the adjustable cup, spindle and bearings. Then thread the adjustable cup back in several turns.
2. Place one washer on the bolt and feed the bolt through the adjustable cup until it sticks out of the fixed cup.
3. Place the fixed cup wrench over the cup, add the second washer over the bolt end and thread on the nut snugly. You now have the wrench on the cup and sandwiched between the frame and the washer so it can't slip.
4. Use huge force, or even a mallet, on the wrench to get the cup broken loose.
5. As soon as it rotates even a little, begin to back off the nut. When it turns freely, remove the bolt, etc. and remove the cup completely.
6. Use the clamp to hold the wrench in place for final installation torqueing too.

The flats on a fixed cup are often too shallow for that... not that they don;t come in handy for other jobs.

The Shelbroco tool works really well when you need to remove a fixed cup that resists extraction although in practice, one should just leave them there when they are servicing the bottom bracket.

I've always considered Sheldon's tool a bit of a kludge and to be used only when the entire bb, cups and all, is to be replaced. If you want to reuse the cup you have to be careful that the nut that goes inside is small enough that the corners of the hex don't dig into the actual bearing track. And if it is small enough to avoid the bearing track it may also be too small to grip firmly enough to break loose a really recalcitrant cup.

There have been commercial versions of the Sheldon tool that don't suffer this concern:

Interesting. Does it work?

BTW, the image didn't show up in your post and I only found the link when I went to reply

Never had The Sheldon tool hurt a fixed cup. Don't use a hardened bolt. No problem.

Yes, it actually succeeded after a DIY Sheldon tool failed.

Well I went put and bought the bolt, lock washers, washer and nut and tried to get it off with my 15" adjustable wrench and the bolt snapped. So I guess that this cup is on there to stay. So I got as much of the parts as I could off so now I'll just get rid of the frame.

I can't believe you snapped a 7/16" bolt with a 15" adjustable wrench. It has 7800lbs of tensile strength for a grade 2 bolt. You'd twist the BB out of the frame before you snapped the bolt.

The fixed cup is LH thread You realized?


I Have one like JDT pictures it's tempered steel.

I also have one to hold down the special BOX END BB
wrench that is made to remove fixed cups .. using the axle end to hold down that tool .
so the wrench wont slip off the cup flats