Electrical tape = BAD Loom tape = GOOD
#26
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,968
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Bikes: '09 Trek 2.1 * '75 Sekine * 2010 Raleigh Talus 8.0 * '90 Giant Mtb * Raleigh M20 * Fuji Nevada mtb
All of this tape information is so fragmented, can we just summarize it into a sticky? 
Can someone fill in the blank about Kapton tape? is it more puncture resistant? What are it's properties for bicycle applications (in words most of us can understand)
3M (Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing, just so you know): Adhesive pressure sensitive, slightly stretchy vinyl tape.
Self Fusing Silicon Tape: Self fusing, stretchy, no adhesive backing. Slightly thicker than 3M electrical tape.
Kapton Tape: Polyimide film with silicone adhesive for easy release.
Elliott Tape EG ET301 Loom Tape: Dry vinyl tape, no adhesion layer. Self Adhesion. Stretches just a little, similar to electrical tape.

Can someone fill in the blank about Kapton tape? is it more puncture resistant? What are it's properties for bicycle applications (in words most of us can understand)
3M (Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing, just so you know): Adhesive pressure sensitive, slightly stretchy vinyl tape.
Self Fusing Silicon Tape: Self fusing, stretchy, no adhesive backing. Slightly thicker than 3M electrical tape.
Kapton Tape: Polyimide film with silicone adhesive for easy release.
Elliott Tape EG ET301 Loom Tape: Dry vinyl tape, no adhesion layer. Self Adhesion. Stretches just a little, similar to electrical tape.
__________________
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
Last edited by RoadTire; 06-29-14 at 09:04 AM.
#28
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,968
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Bikes: '09 Trek 2.1 * '75 Sekine * 2010 Raleigh Talus 8.0 * '90 Giant Mtb * Raleigh M20 * Fuji Nevada mtb
Ok, added to my post. Stretchy or not stretchy?
__________________
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
#29
I use gel tape for my bars
__________________
It may not be fancy but it gets me were I need to go.
https://www.jtgraphics.net/cyclist_bicycles.htm
It may not be fancy but it gets me were I need to go.
https://www.jtgraphics.net/cyclist_bicycles.htm
#30
Thread Starter
Newbie

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 35
Likes: 1
#31
Junior Member
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Chicago, IL
Bikes: 1985 Trek 620, Bianchi Volpe, Pake Rum Runner, Raleigh Twenty, Fuji Saratoga
I find that the unbranded electrical tape does not stay in place. I have a few bikes with 3M electrical tape and they vary around 6-10 years on the tape. No problems.
Do not pull it tight by stretching it hard. Especially the last wrap, just enough to fit in place. Then it is not trying to shrink back to size. My bikes with the 3M have thousands of miles on them.
Tried to count them without looking, at least 10 bikes with the 3m tape for years.
Do not pull it tight by stretching it hard. Especially the last wrap, just enough to fit in place. Then it is not trying to shrink back to size. My bikes with the 3M have thousands of miles on them.
Tried to count them without looking, at least 10 bikes with the 3m tape for years.
#32
Senior Member


Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,904
Likes: 36
From: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.
#33
aka Tom Reingold




Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 44,303
Likes: 6,561
From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
If that silicone is the stuff I saw yesterday, I saw a problem. The stuff I saw yesterday is translucent and looks absurd on a bike. A bike messenger had put it on various place on his frame.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#34
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,968
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Bikes: '09 Trek 2.1 * '75 Sekine * 2010 Raleigh Talus 8.0 * '90 Giant Mtb * Raleigh M20 * Fuji Nevada mtb
Was that the translucent orange color that I see in pictures of Kapton?
__________________
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
#35
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,968
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Bikes: '09 Trek 2.1 * '75 Sekine * 2010 Raleigh Talus 8.0 * '90 Giant Mtb * Raleigh M20 * Fuji Nevada mtb
Nice wrap on your Carton. What did you use?
__________________
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
#37
Banned
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 8
the starting in the center, taping jobs shingle-overlap the wrong way
and shifting your hands, from the tops to the hoods peels up the edges ..
good luck keeping that stuff looking white and clean..
... 2nd time using Fizik's bar tape wrapping bars, Its Quite nice . Favorably Impressed ..
and shifting your hands, from the tops to the hoods peels up the edges ..
good luck keeping that stuff looking white and clean..

... 2nd time using Fizik's bar tape wrapping bars, Its Quite nice . Favorably Impressed ..
Last edited by fietsbob; 07-03-14 at 12:27 PM.
#38
Senior Member

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 13,358
Likes: 665
From: northern michigan
Bikes: '77 Colnago Super, '76 Fuji The Finest, '88 Cannondale Criterium, '86 Trek 760, '87 Miyata 712
Back in the day we called loom tape, "friction tape". Pull it tight and friction holds it in place.
#39
aka Tom Reingold




Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 44,303
Likes: 6,561
From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Maybe I'm a curmudgeon but I have really disliked fizik take and all so-called cork tapes. I like Benotto and Newbaum's.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#40
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,968
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Bikes: '09 Trek 2.1 * '75 Sekine * 2010 Raleigh Talus 8.0 * '90 Giant Mtb * Raleigh M20 * Fuji Nevada mtb
Of course I had to Google images of Benotto and Newbaum's tapes. Most of the Benotto looked glossy, and made for some really attractive colorful patterns on the bars. Seemed to be thin and uncomfortable looking. The Newbaum cloth really looks old school, makes great, consistant wrap and the colors, being matt, look really good to me. I would think a not-overlapped wrap of inner tube covered with Newbaum would be comfy.
__________________
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
FB4K - Every October we wrench on donated bikes. Every December, a few thousand kids get bikes for Christmas. For many, it is their first bike, ever. Every bike, new and used, was donated, built, cleaned and repaired. Check us out on FaceBook: FB4K.
Disclaimer: 99% of what I know about cycling I learned on BF. That would make, ummm, 1% experience. And a lot of posts.
#41
aka Tom Reingold




Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 44,303
Likes: 6,561
From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Comfy, maybe, but double layers look lumpy.
For maximum comfort, I think leather is best. It doesn't look bad, either. It also might be a decent value, given its probable durability. I put leather tape on my Volpe last year. Ask me how it's doing in five or ten years.
For maximum comfort, I think leather is best. It doesn't look bad, either. It also might be a decent value, given its probable durability. I put leather tape on my Volpe last year. Ask me how it's doing in five or ten years.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#42
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,563
Likes: 736
From: Melbourne, Oz
Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231
Down here, I've known it was this stuff or bust, since I was a kid. I've used kilometres and kilometres of the stuff over the years, for all sorts of purposes.

Anyone seen it outside Oz? 3M doesn't have a huge presence here...
From the comments, I'm guessing the Nitto might be a little stretchier than the 3M perhaps.
BTW, pretty sure it isn't this Nitto.
I'd have thought not; at least in the Oz market, there's mostly just Nitto (and probably one or two other brands here and there), and the no-name garbage you get in packs of four tiny rolls in gift shops. One try should be enough to make any sane person give up on the cheap stuff forever.
Well I dunno about the 3M, but the Nitto stretches maybe another 35% or so, and then sort of stops; you know if you try to stretch it much past 40% or whatever, it's going to break. But there's a useful window where it's stretched (once fully stretched it stays about 125% its original length; some elasticity remains), and in this state it's pretty handy for securing cables under tape; I give it one and a half turns, and sometimes just tear the tape; it usually rips well enough to press the end flat. Nice and quick. Easier to remove than any non-stretchy tape I can think of that also sticks. Also, the sparkie's tape gets quite a bit thinner (and narrower) when fully stretched.
Yep, an initial tight loop or two squashes the foam as much as you like, which protects the final unstretched loop (which we know is essential for a lasting job).
But this is the go...
This will work great with pretty much any tape that's made of two materials; they typically have a tougher outer over a foamy base. When you wrap with a bit of tension, the edge bites in and won't curl until the tape is damaged and loses tension on the edge (the effect operates over a loop or two's distance).
If you want the neatest possible bars short of stitching them up in leather, start with tape with a tough outer.

That's a double wrap... looks pretty good on 31.8, I reckon... actually, 31.8 looks a bit weird without it.
Oh yeah, PS - I have a successful technique for apply the Nitto as rim tape.
Simply stretch it till it doesn't want to stretch anymore as you put it on, and since that makes it a bit narrow compared to spoke holes, put the first loop on to one side, and the second loop to the other. This can handle 160psi, (maybe only briefly) which is good to know if like me you're sick of wrangling with too-tight tyres and just give em hell with the pump. Puts up with anything under 120psi indefinitely.
Thinnest rim tape going too, which might be of interest to those with nasty rim/tyre combos...
If you're concerned about your tube developing its own nipples from the stretched tape domes, another layer will add little thickness while reducing the stretch enough to be comparable with proper tape.
Anyone seen it outside Oz? 3M doesn't have a huge presence here...
From the comments, I'm guessing the Nitto might be a little stretchier than the 3M perhaps.
BTW, pretty sure it isn't this Nitto.
My technique for finishing bar tape is to loop twice with 3m tape, the first loop pulled tight which cause the tape to be a bit more narrow and a second loop around with the tape slack which causes it to be a bit wider, which lets it neatly cover the first loop of 3m tape.
But this is the go...
In my experience, this only works with thin tape. If the tape has any thickness, the raised edge is toward the middle and tends to get curled up as you hold on to the bars.
If you want the neatest possible bars short of stitching them up in leather, start with tape with a tough outer.
That's a double wrap... looks pretty good on 31.8, I reckon... actually, 31.8 looks a bit weird without it.
Oh yeah, PS - I have a successful technique for apply the Nitto as rim tape.
Simply stretch it till it doesn't want to stretch anymore as you put it on, and since that makes it a bit narrow compared to spoke holes, put the first loop on to one side, and the second loop to the other. This can handle 160psi, (maybe only briefly) which is good to know if like me you're sick of wrangling with too-tight tyres and just give em hell with the pump. Puts up with anything under 120psi indefinitely.
Thinnest rim tape going too, which might be of interest to those with nasty rim/tyre combos...
If you're concerned about your tube developing its own nipples from the stretched tape domes, another layer will add little thickness while reducing the stretch enough to be comparable with proper tape.
Last edited by Kimmo; 07-02-14 at 06:06 AM.
#46
Never use electrical tape on handlebars.
Apparently Michael Angelo is the only one that knows how to correctly tape a handle bar.
You start at the top. Use cloth tape.
The 'shingle overlap the wrong way' keeps your hands from slipping down off the bars.
When taped tightly this way it does not slide down.
I am bewildered how this spongey-slippery-cushy tape became popular, it's terrible.
I guess people don't have strong hands as most have never done a days work in their life.
Leave your opinions here:
Apparently Michael Angelo is the only one that knows how to correctly tape a handle bar.
You start at the top. Use cloth tape.
The 'shingle overlap the wrong way' keeps your hands from slipping down off the bars.
When taped tightly this way it does not slide down.
I am bewildered how this spongey-slippery-cushy tape became popular, it's terrible.
I guess people don't have strong hands as most have never done a days work in their life.
Leave your opinions here:
#47
Thread Starter
Newbie

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 35
Likes: 1
#48
Thread Starter
Newbie

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 35
Likes: 1
OK ... for the last year or two, I have been using the tape described above and have been delighted. The other day, I loaded the bike on the car and the wind caused the tape to come loose. On the way back, one of the other wraps using the same tape came loose. So I am no longer as delighted as I was when I first posted this. BUT ... it is still better than using cheap electrical tape. And yes, as others have posted, there are better ways to tape handlebars. Interesting that nobody has posted about using cord wrapped ends...hmmm.
#49
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 588
Likes: 3
From: Southern California
Bikes: Gary Fisher Hi-Fi Deluxe, Giant Stance, Cannondale Synapse, Diamondback 8sp IGH, 1989 Merckx
trailangel:
You are likely a young man. I am an old man.
I've clocked more than 600,000 miles riding motorcycles. I was a mechanic for many years -- the nerves in my hands have been damaged --- I need all the padding I can manage. I use two layers of (Shimano) Pro handlebar tape + Fizik Gel padding in a couple of places under the tape.
Fifty years ago I wrapped my Cinelli bars with thin plastic tape and had no trouble with that (which may be why I'm having trouble now) ;o(
Joe
You are likely a young man. I am an old man.
I've clocked more than 600,000 miles riding motorcycles. I was a mechanic for many years -- the nerves in my hands have been damaged --- I need all the padding I can manage. I use two layers of (Shimano) Pro handlebar tape + Fizik Gel padding in a couple of places under the tape.
Fifty years ago I wrapped my Cinelli bars with thin plastic tape and had no trouble with that (which may be why I'm having trouble now) ;o(
Joe






