New Bicycle - Shifting Issues
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New Bicycle - Shifting Issues
I just purchased a brand new Cannondale Synapse Tiagra 6C. I took it on a ten mile ride today, and ran into a problem. If I trim so that the bike shifts down, it is then reluctant to shift up - often it won't unless I coax it with the shifter to complete the shift. If I trim so that bike will shift up, then it won't always shift down. I can't find a happy medium. I've run into this before, but can't remember how to adjust for it. I have forgotten how to resolve this issue. Advice please???
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Sounds like classic cable friction. Internal routing? Set the cable tension for just solid upshifting and over move the lever for down shifting. Andy.
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Yes, cables are internally routed. For what I paid for this bike, this problem is not acceptable to me. How do I fix it!
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First, is it the Front or Rear derailleur that is giving you problems? Next, shifting up is going to a harder faster gear. So that would be larger chainring on the FD, smaller cogs on the RD. Which is it?
Loose cables on the FD will interfere with shifting up into the large chainring.
Overly tight cables on the RD may interfere with shifting into the small cogs.
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Agreed that poor shifting is Boy right on a new bike. But do understand that internal routed shift cabling will have greater friction and maintenance needs then classic and straighter outside routing. To a degree this is some of the "cost' of the decision you made when you bought the bike.
Having said that you should take the bike back to the store you bought it from and have them go through the shifting system to make sure that there are no other issues adding their aspect. Like the exposed casings are cut clean, well capped and with nice smooth loops. Like the inner cables have no kinks or distorted sections in them. We add TriFlow to our inner cables as they pass through and around the casings and guides.
Good luck. Andy.
Having said that you should take the bike back to the store you bought it from and have them go through the shifting system to make sure that there are no other issues adding their aspect. Like the exposed casings are cut clean, well capped and with nice smooth loops. Like the inner cables have no kinks or distorted sections in them. We add TriFlow to our inner cables as they pass through and around the casings and guides.
Good luck. Andy.
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I'll speculate this is one of your first bikes of that caliber, so take what I'm saying in that context. Minor shifting issues are normal with all bikes as cables and components settle in, then as they wear down. Minor, tweaking, following a procedure, not random changes are par for the course. You should be able to have the LBS tweak the cable tension, or better yet learn to do it yourself.
First, is it the Front or Rear derailleur that is giving you problems? Next, shifting up is going to a harder faster gear. So that would be larger chainring on the FD, smaller cogs on the RD. Which is it?
Loose cables on the FD will interfere with shifting up into the large chainring.
Overly tight cables on the RD may interfere with shifting into the small cogs.
First, is it the Front or Rear derailleur that is giving you problems? Next, shifting up is going to a harder faster gear. So that would be larger chainring on the FD, smaller cogs on the RD. Which is it?
Loose cables on the FD will interfere with shifting up into the large chainring.
Overly tight cables on the RD may interfere with shifting into the small cogs.
The problem does seem to be worse on the faster gears, so cable tension could be an issue. Any advice on how to adjust the tension would be appreciated. And I really appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
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I would have the shop check it out. If you mess with it, you give them an out to deny you warranty service. It could be a simple cable adjustment, or a derailleur hanger tweak, or something could actually be wrong. Don't give them that out.
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Fortunately, they are working with me on it, and are OK with me checking and lubricating. The next question is what should I use to lubricate the cable. Seems like I've found articles advising against every lubricant known to man. The LBS isn't all that local, so I need to pick something up at a hardware store. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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My previous bike was a Fuji Absolute 3.0 with Aliveo shifters. They worked perfectly for the five years I had the bike. The problem is with the rear dérailleur, and break in could be part of the issue, but I am going to pull the cable and apply a light lubricant. I'm also going to inspect for clean housing cuts, snags, kinks, etc. as Andy recommended.
The problem does seem to be worse on the faster gears, so cable tension could be an issue. Any advice on how to adjust the tension would be appreciated. And I really appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
The problem does seem to be worse on the faster gears, so cable tension could be an issue. Any advice on how to adjust the tension would be appreciated. And I really appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
You will find barrel adjusters in at least one, possibly 3 places on each cable: at the shifter, in the middle on the frame (where it can be reached while riding) and on the RD itself. Use 1/2 turn increments, then maybe to 1/4 turn increments until shifting meets your expectations.
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You will find barrel adjusters in at least one, possibly 3 places on each cable: at the shifter, in the middle on the frame (where it can be reached while riding) and on the RD itself. Use 1/2 turn increments, then maybe to 1/4 turn increments until shifting meets your expectations.
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But this is a Brand New Bike - I would expect some minor adjustments, but not replacement of any component. I guess other posts suggesting the existing cable ends, etc. might be the culprit are worth following up on, but for me at least, 25 miles each way is a pretty normal drive. Can you arrange with the LBS to go through the bike and make it work while you are at the shop, and can take it for a test drive?
Damaged or bent components are outside my scope of troubleshooting and I wonder if the FD install is off or the RD hanger is bent or something? Just guessing here.
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But this is a Brand New Bike - I would expect some minor adjustments, but not replacement of any component. I guess other posts suggesting the existing cable ends, etc. might be the culprit are worth following up on, but for me at least, 25 miles each way is a pretty normal drive. Can you arrange with the LBS to go through the bike and make it work while you are at the shop, and can take it for a test drive?
Damaged or bent components are outside my scope of troubleshooting and I wonder if the FD install is off or the RD hanger is bent or something? Just guessing here.
Damaged or bent components are outside my scope of troubleshooting and I wonder if the FD install is off or the RD hanger is bent or something? Just guessing here.
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Considering the time and gas, it's worth looking into myself - besides, I'll learn something. The LBS provides excellent service, and would look into it while I waited, and would let me take a test ride. I just want to make sure it isn't something simple before I go to the time, expense, and trouble of making that drive. I'd hate to get there and it take them about two minutes to fix something I could have easily done myself.
There's lots to check on a bike like yours, including a bent derailleur hanger, clogged cable stops (Carbon fiber blocking stuff), housing kinks, bad endcaps, etc. Let the pros do their job and learn something first hand.
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Well so far you've tried a bunch of stuff and have failed so it appears you've reached your limit of know-how, so quit resisting. The lbs will allow you to watch what they do (Rather than living vicariously through a bunch of phantom responders who are shooting in the dark). You need to learn when to give up.
There's lots to check on a bike like yours, including a bent derailleur hanger, clogged cable stops (Carbon fiber blocking stuff), housing kinks, bad endcaps, etc. Let the pros do their job and learn something first hand.
There's lots to check on a bike like yours, including a bent derailleur hanger, clogged cable stops (Carbon fiber blocking stuff), housing kinks, bad endcaps, etc. Let the pros do their job and learn something first hand.
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[QUOTE=gruppo;16902295]... living vicariously through a bunch of phantom responders who are shooting in the dark/QUOTE]
I think I should change my name to RoadPhantom Ph.R. - Phantom Responder. Kinda like a cyclist and virtual help kinda guy. I'm really not on the road. Or here. And I'm usually in the dark about things.
I think I should change my name to RoadPhantom Ph.R. - Phantom Responder. Kinda like a cyclist and virtual help kinda guy. I'm really not on the road. Or here. And I'm usually in the dark about things.
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This ^. And it sounds like your hanger might be a little off...





