Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Weird Flats

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-09-14 | 02:27 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 75
Likes: 2
From: Connecticut

Bikes: Proflex, Bike Friday, Breezer Zig7, Kona Scrap, Raleigh 3 speed, Schwin Tandem, Cignal Melbourne Express Tandem, FLX Babymaker

Weird Flats

My wife's bike (old Trek 970) got a rear flat on the road the other day. No big deal, I found a medium size hole and patched the tube. Rim seemed fine and tire felt smooth inside. I noticed the tire was pretty much shot in the sidewalls, though it had good tread still.

The next day we rode about two miles and parked it outside the store, in the sun. When we came out it was flat. Much larger hole in the same spot.

I put an old, patched tube in a brand new Michelin tire. Pumped it up to 55 pounds or so and it blew out.

Put a brand new tube in the new Michelin. Pumped it up to 45 pounds. Rode about four miles, parked it outside in the sun. Now she just told me it is flat.

Any idea what's going on?

Thanks.
graycenphil is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 02:39 PM
  #2  
KLiNCK's Avatar
Optically Corrected
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 586
Likes: 68
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Bikes: 2012 Specialized Sirrus , 2012 Specialized Roubaix Comp

I had something similar happen to my hybrid last season... tire kept going flat (total of 7 times!) after patching or replacing the tube. Everything seemed to be OK, nothing stuck in the tire - I checked 7 times.
Turns out that the rim tape was worn out (stretched?) and would "creep" when the tube was being re-inflated, exposing the tube to the spoke holes in the rim below. Replaced the rim tape and everything was fine after that.
KLiNCK is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 02:50 PM
  #3  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 75
Likes: 2
From: Connecticut

Bikes: Proflex, Bike Friday, Breezer Zig7, Kona Scrap, Raleigh 3 speed, Schwin Tandem, Cignal Melbourne Express Tandem, FLX Babymaker

Thanks KLiNCK. I did notice the rim tape was pretty worn, but nothing seemed exposed and I had no spare. I'll try replacing it and see what happens.

Open to any other suggestions.
graycenphil is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 03:07 PM
  #4  
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 19,373
Likes: 5,516
From: Rochester, NY

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Agree with above. A "big hole" is usually not from a poke through or pinch but from a lack of containment. A cut or slit in the tire casing, a spoke access hole in the rim that's not well covered by a good rim strip are the common causes.

There are many bikes that come from the factory with box section/double wall rims that have poor and stretchable rim strips. these strips can and do get pushed into the rim holes and/or get a slit or hole themselves. Then the tube expands into the gap and blows out like a balloon being over inflated. Think of a hernia.

If you have a box section rim and rubber rim strips replace the strip with a plastic or cloth one. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 03:32 PM
  #5  
Northwestrider's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,476
Likes: 1
From: Gig Harbor, WA

Bikes: Surly Long Haul Trucker, Gary Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo, Dahon Mu P 24 , Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Rodriguez Tandem, Wheeler MTB

If the puncture is located on the inside of the tube, then it's likely a rim tape issue, if on the outside well.... need more info. Where is the puncture ?
Northwestrider is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 08:00 PM
  #6  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 75
Likes: 2
From: Connecticut

Bikes: Proflex, Bike Friday, Breezer Zig7, Kona Scrap, Raleigh 3 speed, Schwin Tandem, Cignal Melbourne Express Tandem, FLX Babymaker

The blowout was in the side of the tube. The holes were in the side too.

I pumped it back up this afternoon and it seems to be holding. So maybe it was a valve or something this time, just coincidence? I'm going out tomorrow and will pick up a rim strip, just to be sure.

Thanks for all the advice; I'll be back if it goes flat again.
graycenphil is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 08:30 PM
  #7  
JTGraphics's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,678
Likes: 0
From: So Cal
First you must analyze were the hole is on the tube. Inner dia. Outer dia. Or sides?
Outer side would most likely be something still in the tire.
Inside would be spoke nipples and or bad rim liner.
Sides pinch flats.
This I would assume because you say it’s in the same place all the time.
__________________
It may not be fancy but it gets me were I need to go.
https://www.jtgraphics.net/cyclist_bicycles.htm
JTGraphics is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 08:40 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,682
Likes: 4
From: Above ground, Walnut Creek, Ca

Bikes: 8 ss bikes, 1 5-speed touring bike

you ever think that maybe your wife likes to watch you change her rear wheel? that's not all bad...
hueyhoolihan is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 09:44 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,589
Likes: 8
well you did say the sidewalls were shot, holes and tears in sidewall lead to blowout when the pressurized tube pushes thru then ruptures from the force of it's own internal pressure. doesn't matter if theres still tread left if other parts of tire are fail, change the tire
xenologer is offline  
Reply
Old 07-09-14 | 10:38 PM
  #10  
AnkleWork's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,702
Likes: 105
From: Llano Estacado

Bikes: old clunker

Originally Posted by graycenphil
. . . Any idea what's going on? . . .
Not nearly enough detail to be certain, but here are some ideas:

You are the common element in the second, third and fourth flats (and maybe the first also).

Flat # 2: The single most important step in flat repair is correcting the cause -- failing that wastes everything else.
Flat # 3: Most likely caused by mounting technique.

Last edited by AnkleWork; 07-09-14 at 10:42 PM.
AnkleWork is offline  
Reply
Old 07-10-14 | 05:42 AM
  #11  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 75
Likes: 2
From: Connecticut

Bikes: Proflex, Bike Friday, Breezer Zig7, Kona Scrap, Raleigh 3 speed, Schwin Tandem, Cignal Melbourne Express Tandem, FLX Babymaker

What a great forum - thanks all.

You would have thought, after about 45 years of experience at it, that I'd know how to fix a flat tire by now. Apparently not, LOL.

Last edited by graycenphil; 07-10-14 at 07:24 AM.
graycenphil is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
travelinhobo
Bicycle Mechanics
15
02-05-19 12:51 PM
Torellian
Bicycle Mechanics
40
11-02-17 02:29 PM
ceelint
General Cycling Discussion
21
10-11-15 06:52 AM
Rosco P
Bicycle Mechanics
55
10-18-12 09:10 AM
CptjohnC
Commuting
11
08-14-10 03:23 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.