Rear wheel is touching the frame
10-05-14 | 08:04 AM
#51
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Keep stabbing, we'll pin it down soon.
10-05-14 | 08:13 AM
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OK, we (I think) finally have the answer - broken axle. It's true that this does occur more on a freewheel bike (you don't have a cassette) but to have it happen on a new bike has only one cause - rider abuse, as I already noted when I said that a broken axle was a likely cause.
As noted previously I'm done with this poster. As for the Ignore list mentioned below, I thought that just eliminated personal messages. I'll just not try to solve any problems for the poster in the future, and will only check his threads for entertainment purposes.
As noted previously I'm done with this poster. As for the Ignore list mentioned below, I thought that just eliminated personal messages. I'll just not try to solve any problems for the poster in the future, and will only check his threads for entertainment purposes.
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10-05-14 | 08:18 AM
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Why doesn't everyone just put this guy on the ignore list? That would save a ton of headaches, let the poor souls at his LBS deal with his nonsense.
10-05-14 | 08:24 AM
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OK, we (I think) finally have the answer - broken axle. It's true that this does occur more on a freewheel bike (you don't have a cassette) but to have it happen on a new bike has only one cause - rider abuse, as I already noted when I said that a broken axle was a likely cause.
As noted previously I'm done with this poster. As for the Ignore list mentioned below, I thought that just eliminated personal messages. I'll just not try to solve any problems for the poster in the future, and will only check his threads for entertainment purposes.
As noted previously I'm done with this poster. As for the Ignore list mentioned below, I thought that just eliminated personal messages. I'll just not try to solve any problems for the poster in the future, and will only check his threads for entertainment purposes.
I don't understand,ok but..Why not to help?
How much does this thing cost?
10-05-14 | 08:29 AM
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Visit a TIMELINE where it is cheapest and buy it there to take back to your shop to fix. Avoid interaction with your parents or grandparents or butterflies while you are in the alternate TIMELINE.
10-05-14 | 08:32 AM
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10-05-14 | 08:32 AM
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Because part of a helping relationship is a certain measure of responsibility on the part of the person being helped. I used to work in a crisis intervention center, and even callers who were suicidal were expected to take responsibility for their own actions. To ask for help and then not take an active part in solving the problem is to be a victim. You don't seem to work very hard at helping us help you. Goodbye.
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10-05-14 | 08:35 AM
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The ignore list will block all post/messages from said poster. It will just show up as "this message is hidden because xxxxxx is on your ignore list" with the option to view post.
10-05-14 | 08:41 AM
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Thank you, did not know that. I also just remembered two other reasons I am no longer helping Stuntex:
Thank you
I apologize
If those two phrases have ever appeared under his moniker it has been too seldom for me to recall. I appreciate (and provide) courtesy even when monetary compensation is involved, let alone when giving free expert advice.
Thank you
I apologize
If those two phrases have ever appeared under his moniker it has been too seldom for me to recall. I appreciate (and provide) courtesy even when monetary compensation is involved, let alone when giving free expert advice.
10-05-14 | 09:02 AM
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10-05-14 | 09:19 AM
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Because you are lazy and ungrateful.
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10-05-14 | 11:32 AM
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Yes-BUT
The OP isn't adept enough to tighten one side-and loosen the corresponding side
He needs a quick and dirty fix
Most commonly what he describes is a rim out of true-
he can attempt to pull it the correct way-
if it improves "things"
THEN he can tighten loosen
Heck it took many many steps to describe just tightening 4 spokes-
a rider with very little mechanical experience will have his hands full just "pulling" a few spokes
Funny I didn't notice you folks making much of an effort to do anything other than whining about his inexperience-
Gotta keep it simple-and there just isn't anything simple about trying to "walk" an inexperienced rider through wheel truing
The OP isn't adept enough to tighten one side-and loosen the corresponding side
He needs a quick and dirty fix
Most commonly what he describes is a rim out of true-
he can attempt to pull it the correct way-
if it improves "things"
THEN he can tighten loosen
Heck it took many many steps to describe just tightening 4 spokes-
a rider with very little mechanical experience will have his hands full just "pulling" a few spokes
Funny I didn't notice you folks making much of an effort to do anything other than whining about his inexperience-
Gotta keep it simple-and there just isn't anything simple about trying to "walk" an inexperienced rider through wheel truing
You just spent a lot of effort addressing a solution that does not match the symptoms (out of true would show up all the time, and only at certain points in the wheel rotation) and to an OP who shows no inclination or ability toward fixing things himself.
More importantly you gave not only unclear but also incorrect instructions. An unskilled person is not going to know which spokes will "pull away" and one needs to specify that clockwise to tighten is done looking from rim toward the hub, rather than down at the rim. The incorrect part is that if one only tighten spokes on one side then you will pull the rim toward the hub (out of round) at that point and also increase the overall tension of the wheel. It's also inappropriate to tighten only one side if the other side is very loose, as that indicates a physical bend in the rim that cannot be fixed with spokes. Truing should always be tightening and loosening.
More importantly you gave not only unclear but also incorrect instructions. An unskilled person is not going to know which spokes will "pull away" and one needs to specify that clockwise to tighten is done looking from rim toward the hub, rather than down at the rim. The incorrect part is that if one only tighten spokes on one side then you will pull the rim toward the hub (out of round) at that point and also increase the overall tension of the wheel. It's also inappropriate to tighten only one side if the other side is very loose, as that indicates a physical bend in the rim that cannot be fixed with spokes. Truing should always be tightening and loosening.
10-05-14 | 11:58 AM
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If they can't or won't take the advice offered and run with it, or answer specific questions so we can offer better advice, then there's nothing we can do.
I offered basic advice early on, along with a simple diagnostic approach the OP cold have used, then bowed out because of the OPs pattern of inability or unwillingness to help himself. I wan't upset or whinign about it, I simply realized and accepted the limitations and acted accordingly.
This is an example of what's meant by "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink". Given that I'll put th time to helping other horses.
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10-05-14 | 11:59 AM
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You gotta be kidding !! Are you new to the Mechanics Forum ?
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10-05-14 | 01:04 PM
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Each time the topic runs to multiple pages with NO progress.
The OP is simply too dam dumb or a troll.
10-05-14 | 01:14 PM
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Lighten up, folks. What we have here is a basic failure to communicate. Google translate gives timeline as the first translation of ציר, but also at the top of the list of possibilities is axle, exactly as many have suggested as the problem. I believe Stuntex has broken the rear axle, his shop has diagnosed the problem and he just needs to get it fixed. And, maybe, treat his bicycle a little more gently in the future.
I admire Stuntex for trying to get help in English. I wouldn't have a clue trying to do it in Hebrew.
I admire Stuntex for trying to get help in English. I wouldn't have a clue trying to do it in Hebrew.
10-05-14 | 02:11 PM
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Yes-BUT
The OP isn't adept enough to tighten one side-and loosen the corresponding side
He needs a quick and dirty fix
Most commonly what he describes is a rim out of true-... Heck it took many many steps to describe just tightening 4 spokes-... Funny I didn't notice you folks making much of an effort to do anything other than whining about his inexperience-... Gotta keep it simple-and there just isn't anything simple about trying to "walk" an inexperienced rider through wheel truing
The OP isn't adept enough to tighten one side-and loosen the corresponding side
He needs a quick and dirty fix
Most commonly what he describes is a rim out of true-... Heck it took many many steps to describe just tightening 4 spokes-... Funny I didn't notice you folks making much of an effort to do anything other than whining about his inexperience-... Gotta keep it simple-and there just isn't anything simple about trying to "walk" an inexperienced rider through wheel truing
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10-05-14 | 02:18 PM
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Lighten up, folks. What we have here is a basic failure to communicate. Google translate gives timeline as the first translation of ציר, but also at the top of the list of possibilities is axle, exactly as many have suggested as the problem. I believe Stuntex has broken the rear axle, his shop has diagnosed the problem and he just needs to get it fixed. And, maybe, treat his bicycle a little more gently in the future.
I admire Stuntex for trying to get help in English. I wouldn't have a clue trying to do it in Hebrew.
I admire Stuntex for trying to get help in English. I wouldn't have a clue trying to do it in Hebrew.
10-05-14 | 02:19 PM
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If it were simply a language barrier, then we would all be happy to work around it.
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10-05-14 | 02:37 PM
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I'm going to jump on this statement too. Apparently you know nothing of the OP prior threads and didn't read all of this one either. As FB noted, there is a limit to what can be done over the internet, particularly given the OP's history here.
10-05-14 | 05:13 PM
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I'm stumped, too. I've wondered if he's dumb, too, but I don't like thoughts like that. I feel unkind, and I don't want to be unkind. I don't know why we are having trouble communicating, and I don't know how to help. I don't follow what he says, and I don't understand why he doesn't follow our advice. Several of us have truly tried to help.
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10-05-14 | 05:49 PM
#72
Wow
Tough crowd!
Broken axle-very unusual
But I would guess defective part-cheapo chinese low QC part
Some of you immediately blame the poor rider.
Now maybe he is just pulling your legs-
Gee why would anyone do that to such a good natured bunch?
Tough crowd!
Broken axle-very unusual
But I would guess defective part-cheapo chinese low QC part
Some of you immediately blame the poor rider.
Now maybe he is just pulling your legs-
Gee why would anyone do that to such a good natured bunch?
10-05-14 | 06:21 PM
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"Some of you immediately blame the poor rider." - Because in previous posts, he explains that he likes to go over jumps, do tricks, and generally abuse his bike.
Mechanincs forum has some of the most patient, helpful people around. They have all become exasperated for the same reasons.
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10-05-14 | 06:39 PM
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Not really that unusual. I broke several axles back in the freewheel mtb days. Pretty much any mtb under 400 or so might just have a 7sp freewheel, so easy to bend/break axle.
10-05-14 | 06:49 PM
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See post No.6 where I said that was the most likely cause to match the reported problem. Later in post No.10 I gave a diagnostic method which wold likely have confirmed a broken axle as the cause.
I understand the issue of language barrier, and that some people are less mechanically inclined. But, I give up when folks won't even try to help themselves, and provide diagnostic feedback so someone can help them.
In any case, it's of little use to diagnose a problem for someone who appears to have little hope of fixing it. He still has to go to the bike shop, so we might as well let them do the whole job.
People who post here to help strangers get nothing except the positive feeling of having helped someone. If that's taken away, or the process is too difficult or frustrating, the effort is disproportionate to the reward.
I understand the issue of language barrier, and that some people are less mechanically inclined. But, I give up when folks won't even try to help themselves, and provide diagnostic feedback so someone can help them.
In any case, it's of little use to diagnose a problem for someone who appears to have little hope of fixing it. He still has to go to the bike shop, so we might as well let them do the whole job.
People who post here to help strangers get nothing except the positive feeling of having helped someone. If that's taken away, or the process is too difficult or frustrating, the effort is disproportionate to the reward.
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