Tires - Wire Or Folding Bead?
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Tires - Wire Or Folding Bead?
Do you prefer wire bead or folding bead tires?
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
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My 91 bike tour was on Michelin Hi-Lite 35 tires, folding , used several . on a 3 month tour ..
my 97 tour I used Suomi-Nokian A10 utility tires and they still look new after a 10 month tour.
You a Porsche Guy & C&V bike collector probably dont need to carry extra Tires on your rides so a steel bead tire on your wheels will be fine .
Folding beads do let you pack spare tires . in little more space than a spare sew up.
Minor imperfections of rim bead seat and tire beads interface, makes blanket fit - brand statements hard to do ..
But an easy to fit 23 wide tire would cause me some doubt as to how secure it can be at 100+ psi
FWIW as I gather the best tire to stay on the rim after a puncture / Blow out is Glued on ,
that is a reason sewups are still on a lot of Pro race Wheels
my 97 tour I used Suomi-Nokian A10 utility tires and they still look new after a 10 month tour.
You a Porsche Guy & C&V bike collector probably dont need to carry extra Tires on your rides so a steel bead tire on your wheels will be fine .
Folding beads do let you pack spare tires . in little more space than a spare sew up.
Minor imperfections of rim bead seat and tire beads interface, makes blanket fit - brand statements hard to do ..
But an easy to fit 23 wide tire would cause me some doubt as to how secure it can be at 100+ psi
FWIW as I gather the best tire to stay on the rim after a puncture / Blow out is Glued on ,
that is a reason sewups are still on a lot of Pro race Wheels
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I choose the tire size, casing grade, the tread pattern before I think about the bead material. If all else was equal then for my single bikes a folding bead for the day tripping/commuting ones and a steel bead for the touring bike. For the tandem only a steel bead. Andy.
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Do you prefer wire bead or folding bead tires?
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
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Do you prefer wire bead or folding bead tires?
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
In my limited experience, wire bead are easier to mount, folding bead are lighter and easier to carry as a spare on tour, otherwise I don't know what the practical difference is. I wonder if one tends to stay on the rim better during the dreaded high-speed blowout.
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Folding tires are a bit lighter and they fold, obviously. Wire bead tires are generally cheaper but heavier.
Whatever you do, don't listen to anyone that tells you folding tires are more difficult to mount (except for the first time, possibly.) I've worked with plenty of each type and I can tell you some folding tires are incredibly easy/impossible to mount, just like some wire bead tires are incredibly easy/impossible to mount. Difficulty mounting is more a result of rim depth and specific tire bead diameter. The type of bead is irrelevant.
Whatever you do, don't listen to anyone that tells you folding tires are more difficult to mount (except for the first time, possibly.) I've worked with plenty of each type and I can tell you some folding tires are incredibly easy/impossible to mount, just like some wire bead tires are incredibly easy/impossible to mount. Difficulty mounting is more a result of rim depth and specific tire bead diameter. The type of bead is irrelevant.
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steel bead tires can be rolled down into 1/3 of their diameter for carrying extras .. ..
The technique is Like storing Band Saw Blades but you dont have to wear heavy leather gloves to do it with a Bike Tire.
The technique is Like storing Band Saw Blades but you dont have to wear heavy leather gloves to do it with a Bike Tire.
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fietsbob's got it. Wire bead tires can be coiled into three loops. They then fit easily into panniers and backpacks.
Stay far, far away from wireless beaded tires that fit sloppy on the rims. I rolled one in a blowout and crashed very hard. Before I crashed, I rode about 30' feeling like I was riding on black ice and hoping I could stay away from the curb. Doing that balancing act, I was completely unprepared for the tire jamming in the seatstays.
I now have several very expensive Challenge folding tires that I bought as super mountain fix gear tires, light, sweet rolling and ultimately secure and grippy on bumpy, winding descents. As fine a tire as the sewups I used to race. The fit has loosened up on them and I don't trust them at all. Back to the Vittoria Open Paves that I can trust. (I now have a few hundred dollars of tires that have maybe 1000 miles total. But another crash like that last one? No thanks!)
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Stay far, far away from wireless beaded tires that fit sloppy on the rims. I rolled one in a blowout and crashed very hard. Before I crashed, I rode about 30' feeling like I was riding on black ice and hoping I could stay away from the curb. Doing that balancing act, I was completely unprepared for the tire jamming in the seatstays.
I now have several very expensive Challenge folding tires that I bought as super mountain fix gear tires, light, sweet rolling and ultimately secure and grippy on bumpy, winding descents. As fine a tire as the sewups I used to race. The fit has loosened up on them and I don't trust them at all. Back to the Vittoria Open Paves that I can trust. (I now have a few hundred dollars of tires that have maybe 1000 miles total. But another crash like that last one? No thanks!)
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Folding tires cost about 50% more than the same model in wire bead. I think that's a significant practical difference.
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The single wire steel beads are the classic method and proven reliable. At some point either to save weight or so thy could be folded synthetic beads were introduced. Both do their jobs, but because the synthetics have more give under tension they have to be made a bit undersized and can be harder to mount, especially on rims with shallow center wells. As pointed out above they also cost more.
So it's your money, is lighter and/or the ability to fold worth the penalty in cost or added mounting effort? call it, or toss a coin or as AS does choose your tire based on other factors and take it the way it comes.
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I choose tires that are light. Typically they end up being folding bead 23's. I have had great success on these, never a bad tire.
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I only buy folding, lighter and no reason not to.
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Every case will be little different. I like 700x28, at least 100 PSI, durable, long lasting, and flat resistant tires. Weight doesn't matter much to me, but the only tire that I'm happy with is Vittoria Rubino. These are 340-345g for wire bead, and for around $20. You can't beat that.
Only other tire I was considering, was the most popular Continental Gatorskin or Hardshell tires, which are foldable, but almost same weight, less durable and cost more than twice as much than wire bead Vittoria Rubinos.
If every tire was long lasting, durable and with good flat protection - I would choose foldable version over wire bead though.
Only other tire I was considering, was the most popular Continental Gatorskin or Hardshell tires, which are foldable, but almost same weight, less durable and cost more than twice as much than wire bead Vittoria Rubinos.
If every tire was long lasting, durable and with good flat protection - I would choose foldable version over wire bead though.
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I only buy easier to mount steel wire bead tires. No reason not too.
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My 91 bike tour was on Michelin Hi-Lite 35 tires, folding , used several . on a 3 month tour ..
my 97 tour I used Suomi-Nokian A10 utility tires and they still look new after a 10 month tour.
You a Porsche Guy & C&V bike collector probably dont need to carry extra Tires on your rides so a steel bead tire on your wheels will be fine .
Folding beads do let you pack spare tires . in little more space than a spare sew up.
Minor imperfections of rim bead seat and tire beads interface, makes blanket fit - brand statements hard to do ..
But an easy to fit 23 wide tire would cause me some doubt as to how secure it can be at 100+ psi
FWIW as I gather the best tire to stay on the rim after a puncture / Blow out is Glued on ,
that is a reason sewups are still on a lot of Pro race Wheels
my 97 tour I used Suomi-Nokian A10 utility tires and they still look new after a 10 month tour.
You a Porsche Guy & C&V bike collector probably dont need to carry extra Tires on your rides so a steel bead tire on your wheels will be fine .
Folding beads do let you pack spare tires . in little more space than a spare sew up.
Minor imperfections of rim bead seat and tire beads interface, makes blanket fit - brand statements hard to do ..
But an easy to fit 23 wide tire would cause me some doubt as to how secure it can be at 100+ psi
FWIW as I gather the best tire to stay on the rim after a puncture / Blow out is Glued on ,
that is a reason sewups are still on a lot of Pro race Wheels
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somebody wants to sell tubeless clinchers race on them, do well, then sell them to the rest of the Market.
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If a tire is available in both,I'll usually get the folding to save weight. If it's only available as wire bead,that's ok too. As for mounting,I've had folding tires go right on and wire beads that needed the bead jack. All depends on the specific tire and rim.
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I prefer folding beads to save rotating mass. The exception is city tires which are so thick and heavy that they only come in wire bead.
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The modern irony is that a folding bead doesn't automatically define a tire as being light, or of quality. Want proof? Go to Walmart bike section. All of the tires they sell will fold, I'm sure they mandated that to maximize retail space.
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Yep, tires are a PITA to display and merchandise nicely. So no one should be surprised that big box stores want tires in easy to display boxes with bar codes & enticing labels.
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Thanks all.
The tires I recently bought were michelin pro 4 23 mm. For $35 each, I figured why not get the 208 g folding tire.
I haven't bought a lot of clincher tires lately. Mostly been buying tubulars. For the commute bike I've pretty much standardized on gatorskin wire bead. I don't care about weight there.
The tires I recently bought were michelin pro 4 23 mm. For $35 each, I figured why not get the 208 g folding tire.
I haven't bought a lot of clincher tires lately. Mostly been buying tubulars. For the commute bike I've pretty much standardized on gatorskin wire bead. I don't care about weight there.
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I always buy folding tires because they are lighter and pack down smaller.