this was a joke post correct???

my bike shop is an authorized dealer of this bike so its more convienant for me to get it, and i can get it for only $270 im not sure if my shop is a dealer of dk, so i might not be able to get a signal as cheap, or as easy. if i dont like it, or it doesnt fit me, i can just sell it to my shop and break even.

Yeah, but will they do that if the bike's used, or something goes wrong with the detangler a month or two down the road and you decide, "Screw this, I don't want to deal with it"? Spend some time flipping through the SBS and BTI catalogs, you'd be surprised what all they carry. I know BTI has a dedicated BMX department and they carry a lot more stuff than they list in the catalog. I don't remember offhand whether they carry DK, but figure out what lines are available to you and go from there.

monday i was gonna go find ut if we can carry dk or not.

Tip Plus carries WeThePeople, which also produces a couple complete flatland bikes. Well out of 'beginner' price range if you're paying retail but EP might not be so bad. There's the Sinus and there was a cheaper one in our Tip Plus catalog but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called now and WTP isn't showing it on their site so it may be either new or discontinued.

SBS stocks mostly Redline and BTI doesn't sell completes, far as I could tell just flipping through the catalogs when I had a spare minute today, so those are out, but check who your dealers are and what all they sell. The way that KHE frame design sorta revolves around the detangler (get it? Pun!) it's probably worth it to pass and just throw down for a DK through FlatlandFuel if your shop can't get anything else.

i was seriously thinking about that dk signal. i've heard no bad things about it, or dk in general. i think i will get it if my shop can get them. i have no way of getting it from flatlandfuel.com if they don't. thats why that khe was looking nice to me.

What about the new WeThePeople Sinus. That looks good.

do flatland bikes even really need 3pc cranks?

i mean is there that much pressure and ussage of the cranks....?



i read good reviews on the DK Signal...

tomorrow i get the KHE. we don't carry DK. so i learned one trick in 2 days. i learned toe fork wheelie. but, all i really do is just ride on the bike backwards, no wheelies yet. any help?

Why can't you order from Flatland Fuel? Or did I miss that post?

Flatlanders do bend 1-piece cranks and eventually bottom brackets wear out and cause headaches. Once I switched to 3-piece cranks I basically never had to mess around with my cranks again. Much easier.

i dont have a credit card, so i have no way of ordering from flatlandfuel.com i'm going to get a bank account tomorrow, though.

That's not a really good reason not to order from them... Give Pat a call, ask about sending a cashiers check or money order to him. Or even a personal check which he will wait to clear. PayPal and other methods work directly from your bank account as well which is a good way of doing things.

Parents & friends who have credit cards work also. As long as you have the cash to give them.

I would call it a huge mistake to buy a KHE over the Signal. The KHE simply lacks the design quality and the focus on the most important parts of an entry level flatland bike that DK was sure to focus on.

Your money - but Pat will hook you up and let you know how to take care of paying for the bike. The extra week you wait makes WAY more sense then dealing with an inferior product that took you months to save up for.

well, i bought the khe. it only cost me 290, and retail is what, 500 or so dollars? and it only took me a week to save up for it. i love it. before i got it i was trying fork wheelies on my pos mongoose, i couldn't get them. now i have them within reach. i just need to learn to stop, because i always end up going too far when i spin and i end up falling. how do you stop yourself from spinning?

Bike follows hips, hips follow shoulders, shoulders follow head.

SickChild or Quamen

Kyle, that was a classic example of making a suggestion after the product has been purchased. Maybe, next time, you should read the whole thread prior to posting to prevent this error from occuring again. Thanks.

Sorry, was just making a suggestion. I didn't figure a purchase was made, eh assumptions get me in trouble so much >_>

Always remember: "to assume makes an ass out of you and me."

"When you make an assumption you're just making an ass outta you and umption."

sop far, the bike has been treating me pretty good. i learned barspins, and i can bunny hop better/easier. i figure by tomorrow i will be able to get the spinning and landing on the fork wihtuot overspinning part of the fork wheelie down pat. i guess the only good way to learn these things is practice.

Was it this line that threw you off?

No, I think it was the request for entry level flatland bikes, so he suggests a couple of $300.00 flatland frames.

Quamen doesn't make bikes as far as I know - nor does Sick Child... and current designs from other companies for frames are easily as good - or better.

Quamen makes bikes, well frames.. dunno bout completes, I just can't find thier website. Sick Child, is here though https://www.sickchildbikes.com/ and yeah I mentioned frames.. I was just posting a quick reply.. didn't pay no atention. bah

Quamen/CamAcura/Nankai doesn't make completes. The three brands are what remains of Japanese company Dig It that used to make the ultra-popular Graveyard OG bars - now sadly discontinued, but Quamen makes some really bomber flatland bars of their own. Sick Child is one of the last remaining American frame and fork makers still very much devoted to flatland (instead of most American companies with one half-assed flatland or hybrid street/flat frame in addition to a full line of street and dirt frames), but they don't sell completes. Ares does sell completes, and some pretty nice ones...mostly equipped with parts by 88 Products (same company). Some companies produce complete flatland bikes that aren't available in the US, only in Japan where it's a lot more popular. Fly is sort of an exception, being a primarily street/park driven company but still putting time and effort into developing respectable flatland frames which are also available as completes.

If anyone can read Japanese, Dig It is still around but I'm not sure exactly what their function and relation to the splintered brands is anymore.