I'm in the market for a new frame (Again) And was wondering about the Mosca Two, any good? I'm gonna head down to the shop on monday and see if I can ride a bike with a 20.2 toptube without much trouble (I ride a 20.1 now).

Or does anybody know of other frames in 20-20.1 with short chainstays?

I like the Mosca 2... two of my friends have them... you're in the same boat as me though. I want a frame around 20.2 with short chainstays as well and there aren't many of them. I don't want to copy my two other friends.

As far as I know, there is only three fly's in this town, a 3 Amigo's with a crappy build, a decent Pantera and a decent Mosca.

Thats one of the few things I like about my Heaton, short stays.

The Mosca is really nice.

yeah mosca is a nice frame

This guy at my local skatepark i was talking to has a Fly Mosca frame. He said he likes it, he was all telling me like all his parts and stuff.

The FBM Autopilot has very short stays. When is the new fly frame coming out? That has really short stays

The Autopilot. But take 10 seconds to look on bikeguide or bmxboard and look to see how many people are cracking their Autopilots...

At least 5 people around here have Fly's and two or three of them have Mosca's and like them alot. So i guess they are good frames.

Yeah, I hear a lot about FBM frames cracking, except the Stairmaster, but it doesn't come in my desired toptube length.

why is it that when i said that you wanted to bite my head off?

i just ordered a 3amigos, idk what its going to be like. hope nice, albes had it on slae for 200

Get a Solid AA! It's got a 13.75" backend(slammed). 75head angle and you can get 20" or 20.25" tt and they aren't too expensive either.

Eh. I'm not fond of the frame. I want a smaller backend.

Does it even get much smaller?

Yes, it can.

Isn't there a Bulls BMX frame or something with a really really short backend of like 13"-13.5". I think its Mark Webb's signiture frame

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I saw an advert for it in UK ride. It's not out yet over here. I would have presumed you guys had it..

Not in dans, albes, staff, or empire...

you might be thinking about bulldog bikes. im not sure how long the stays are though. they are square, though.

No it's not that. Not sure where it's out then

My Macneil has 13.5 stays.

They are really neat looking frames. I like the rectangular stays. I saw Brad's old bulldog(when he was still riding for them) and it looked really clean. The welds and the whole thing in general.


Are you kidding? That's really really short. Like my wheel is hanging out of my dropouts right now and i can still manual pretty well. Plus shorter backends loop out faster. Especialy if you don't have brakes to feather. Longer is better because your front end will more likely go down opposed to loop you out. Know what i'm saying...?

Get that weird looking KP Fly frame if you want a short backend...

To me, that's not so short. I'm a smaller person and want a smaller frame with a smaller backend, it's not too much to ask for. I like shorter backends and shorter bars, you like longer backends and longer bars.

And I don't have a lot of problems.

I have my wheel damn near slammed with 13.5's, and I dont loop out or use my brakes.