Notices
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals. Use this subforum for all requests as to "How much is this vintage bike worth?"Do NOT try to sell it in here, use the Marketplaces.

Lemond frame

Old 02-12-24, 10:52 AM
  #1  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Lemond frame

Hi all,

the seller says it's a Lemond Zurich 1996-97 (which I don't know the meaning of), some pics below. Please ignore everything that is not the frame and fork, only them are for sale.
The brass gimmick in the last pic is upsetting me a bit, I have no idea what's it for and why it's there.

Should I pay about $200 for it? Size is pretty close to what I need.

Thank you.








sunday is offline  
Old 02-12-24, 11:42 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
bboy314's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pioneer Valley
Posts: 950
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 305 Post(s)
Liked 690 Times in 356 Posts
Brass gimmick? Might you be referring to the shifter mount on the downtube?

Itís a nice frame, Iíd say $200 isnít unreasonable but isnít the deal of the century either - assuming itís in good shape with no major flaws.

If itís ďpretty close to the right sizeĒ, that suggests to me that itís not the right size, so I might keep looking were it me. Value also depends on what your plans for it are. Are you doing a frame-up build, or looking to replace a damaged frame, etc.?
bboy314 is offline  
Old 02-12-24, 01:13 PM
  #3  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by bboy314
Might you be referring to the shifter mount on the downtube?
I probably am, not that you're saying it. It is the first time when I see one without the shifter attached to it.

I would have liked a 54 TT and this frame is a 55, so I am certain I can ride it.

Regarding its utility - I'm thinking building a bike out of it, no clear plan ahead. It just popped out on me, and in a country where this kind of frames is not very often found. I have seen maybe 2 or 3 Reynolds 853 frames being advertised in the last couple of years.
I think I'll go see it and think further.
Thanks for the input.
sunday is offline  
Old 02-12-24, 01:54 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
bargainguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Trekland
Posts: 2,233
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 516 Post(s)
Liked 303 Times in 187 Posts
The frame has seen a fair amount of use. Note the rub marks on either side of the head tube - typically where the housing rubs up against the frame. It spent a lot of its life as a multispeed before the current incarnation.

The fork might be a concern. Original is threaded, but it's been converted to threadless, and the locknut on the headset looks butchered. The whole headset looks kind of mangled, not sure what happened there.

I don't know if the headset is included, but in that shape, not sure I'd want it anyway. I'd want to fully inspect the threaded steerer to make sure it hasn't been damaged in the threadless conversion.

If you're just looking for a utilitarian frame and not too concerned about cosmetics, $200 is OK. At least the rear derailleur tab hasn't been removed - happens so many times on singlespeed / fixie conversions.
bargainguy is offline  
Likes For bargainguy:
Old 02-12-24, 03:47 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
bboy314's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pioneer Valley
Posts: 950
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 305 Post(s)
Liked 690 Times in 356 Posts
Originally Posted by bargainguy

The fork might be a concern. Original is threaded, but it's been converted to threadless, and the locknut on the headset looks butchered. The whole headset looks kind of mangled, not sure what happened there.

I don't know if the headset is included, but in that shape, not sure I'd want it anyway. I'd want to fully inspect the threaded steerer to make sure it hasn't been damaged in the threadless conversion.
My guess is that a threadless stem adapter was used, not really something to worry about if thatís the case. Generally if Iím buying a used frame, I expect to likely need to replace the headset.
bboy314 is offline  
Old 02-14-24, 10:08 AM
  #6  
The Huffmeister
 
AdventureManCO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Le Grande HQ
Posts: 2,701

Bikes: '79 Trek 938, '86 Jim Merz Allez SE, '90 Miyata 1000, '68 PX-10, '80 PXN-10, '73 Super Course, '87 Guerciotti, '83 Trek 600, '80 Huffy Le Grande

Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1205 Post(s)
Liked 3,472 Times in 1,384 Posts
One area of concern to me is how corroded the bottle mount in the picture is compared to the rest of the frame. My mind is wondering why that is. Also, I think these forks were carbon and while most may be just fine, I have seen pics of some snapped off with the comment being that carbon in the same outer dimensions as a steel fork may not fare as well. Take my words with a grain of salt, though, as I have no personal experience with these bikes.

Im not seeing $200 here for the frame alone, but that is due to my market and what I have seen at that price. If these type of finds are far more uncommon in yours, you may have to weigh the price against overall market rarity. Then again, you could always find a killer frameset listed here, at anything under $150, and be right around your price w/ shipping included.
AdventureManCO is offline  
Old 02-14-24, 10:25 AM
  #7  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Then again, you could always find a killer frameset listed here, at anything under $150, and be right around your price w/ shipping included.
I am too noob to know a good deal when I see one. But I see your point, and thanks for your input.
sunday is offline  
Old 02-14-24, 11:47 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 13,438
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4216 Post(s)
Liked 2,939 Times in 1,799 Posts
Just be aware that Lemond frames have a bit longer top tube than most, so many people say a 55 cm in Lemond rides like a 57 in most other brands.
__________________
Bikes: 1996 Eddy Merckx Titanium EX, 1989/90 Colnago Super(issimo?) Piu(?), 1990 Concorde Aquila(hit by car while riding), others in build queue "when I get the time"





himespau is offline  
Old 02-14-24, 01:32 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
zukahn1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Fairplay Co
Posts: 9,509

Bikes: Current 79 Nishiki Custum Sport, Jeunet 620, notable previous bikes P.K. Ripper loop tail, Kawahara Laser Lite, Paramount Track full chrome, Raliegh Internatioanl, Motobecan Super Mirage. 59 Crown royak 3 speed

Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 789 Post(s)
Liked 1,730 Times in 628 Posts
Originally Posted by himespau
Just be aware that Lemond frames have a bit longer top tube than most, so many people say a 55 cm in Lemond rides like a 57 in most other brands.
+1 the longer than typical top tube top line and fairly aggressive geometry will tend to make this one ride one or two sizes larger than the nominal size would indicate. As for value with some wear and visible rust I would say $200 seems a bit high on a local sale. Also I would like to see some good detailed pics of the frame set alone as being sold only the parts included before I would consider buying. Myself I hate when adds don't have accurate pics of what is actually being sold and typical auto pass on any such adds unless there is a big price discount, just a bunch off potential problems disputes IMHO.
zukahn1 is offline  
Old 02-14-24, 07:53 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Saratoga, CA
Posts: 821

Bikes: 1981 Bianchi Specialissim, 1976 Colnago Super. 1971 Bob Jackson. 2012 Kestrel 4000. 2012 Willier. 2016 Fuji Cross 1.1

Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Liked 940 Times in 387 Posts
Seems like a steep price for just the F&F. Unless your parts bin is full, you will either need to buy another bike to move parts over or buy a lot of parts. For scale, I bought a Lemond 853 full bike, same era (I think same paint job and size). in the SF Bay Area (expensive market) for around $400.
SwimmerMike is offline  
Old 02-15-24, 12:36 PM
  #11  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 218
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 92 Post(s)
Liked 47 Times in 33 Posts
A serious seller will provide the frame and fork in a disassembled state for easier viewing. Request that of the seller or no deal.
ign1te is offline  
Old 02-15-24, 12:57 PM
  #12  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Well, you guys definitely tempered my initial enthusiasm

I'll just wait for a better deal. Thanks everybody for their comments, I learned things here.
sunday is offline  
Old 02-16-24, 09:22 AM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Mr. 66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 3,276
Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1131 Post(s)
Liked 1,723 Times in 948 Posts
Good choice on your part to look elsewhere.

I look at that bottle boss, those may even be cracks that have formed there.

I see that frame at about $60, as a whole bike about $300ish oem
Mr. 66 is offline  
Old 02-16-24, 02:20 PM
  #14  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
What is the preferred source for this kind of frames/bikes? ebay?
sunday is offline  
Old 02-16-24, 03:35 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
bargainguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Trekland
Posts: 2,233
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 516 Post(s)
Liked 303 Times in 187 Posts
If it were me, I'd suggest starting with anything but the giant auction site. Lots of stock, but you never know what you're getting until it shows up, and it can be a hassle to return.

If you want to buy at a distance, I'd suggest the classifieds here or a site like www.pinkbike.com as good places to start. Generally knowledgeable sellers that want to ensure you're getting what you need.

If you want to buy locally and inspect first, then Facebook / Craigslist / Kijiji / Gumtree or whatever your local market supports.
bargainguy is offline  
Likes For bargainguy:
Old 02-17-24, 12:04 AM
  #16  
The Huffmeister
 
AdventureManCO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The Le Grande HQ
Posts: 2,701

Bikes: '79 Trek 938, '86 Jim Merz Allez SE, '90 Miyata 1000, '68 PX-10, '80 PXN-10, '73 Super Course, '87 Guerciotti, '83 Trek 600, '80 Huffy Le Grande

Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1205 Post(s)
Liked 3,472 Times in 1,384 Posts
Originally Posted by sunday
What is the preferred source for this kind of frames/bikes? ebay?
Either here, in the sales section, from a trusted seller w/ a good history, or one of the many, many excellent finds in the 'Are you looking for one of these?' thread and find someone willing to facilitate. Best possible options aside from stumbling across something amazing in person.
__________________
There were 135 Confentes, but only one...Huffente!









AdventureManCO is offline  
Likes For AdventureManCO:
Old 02-17-24, 09:07 AM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
zukahn1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Fairplay Co
Posts: 9,509

Bikes: Current 79 Nishiki Custum Sport, Jeunet 620, notable previous bikes P.K. Ripper loop tail, Kawahara Laser Lite, Paramount Track full chrome, Raliegh Internatioanl, Motobecan Super Mirage. 59 Crown royak 3 speed

Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 789 Post(s)
Liked 1,730 Times in 628 Posts
Even if you intend to completely rebuild with different parts on a bike like this or similar I would suggest you look for a complete bike locally that you can inspect check out in person. The current market is pretty soft most places so nice complete project bikes with really good frames show up pretty regularly starting in the $200-300 range with the occasional potential bargain for less.
zukahn1 is offline  
Old 02-17-24, 09:11 PM
  #18  
Old bikes, Older guy
 
Senior Ryder 00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Fiscal Conservative on the Lefty Coast - Oregon
Posts: 838

Bikes: A few modern, Several vintage, All ridden when weather allows.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 250 Post(s)
Liked 164 Times in 113 Posts
Originally Posted by sunday
What is the preferred source for this kind of frames/bikes? ebay?
Like others have said, there can be better sources. I personally shy away from ďcobbledĒ bikes. They tend to be poorly maintained and often abused. If you have a bike co-op or kitchen nearby, I would start there.
Cheers,
Van
__________________
Remember: Real bikes have pedals.
...and never put a yellow tail on a Red, White and Blue kite!
Senior Ryder 00 is offline  
Old 02-18-24, 04:34 AM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Eastern Shore MD
Posts: 855

Bikes: Lemond Zurich/Trek ALR/Giant TCX/Sette CX1

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 551 Post(s)
Liked 740 Times in 388 Posts
Originally Posted by sunday
What is the preferred source for this kind of frames/bikes? ebay?
Word of mouth often works. Ask around local bike shops, local bike clubs, co-op's... You never know what people may be sitting on.

I put out word that I wanted a 2000' +/- Zurich, about 6 months later I got an email from a guy that had three pristine Lemond's in his garage. I'd been scanning Ebay and Facebook for over a year - bunch of bike flippers or bikes that were not in good shape.

As for the frame in your post - that would be a no go for me. I see evidence of corrosion and just general age - the frame looks to be end of life.

Price? You can find a complete Zurich in near mint condition for $6-700. $200 for a frame in that condition - nope.
Jughed is offline  
Likes For Jughed:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.