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Old 02-24-15, 04:15 AM
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De Rosa 1976

I don't know the brand/models, but know they're cherished.

Here are some newer photos.

Frame is straight, no dents, ripples, rust is surface only. Probably deserves a repaint.








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In that condition? $2-250. Max.
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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
In that condition? $2-250. Max.
+1

Also...if you are looking for original...this does not "feel" original from those pictures...particularly with the downtube decal!
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I don't think it's original either, and I hate the repaint, but if it's a 76' De Rosa it will go far higher than indicated above (assuming buyers can verify it is a mid-70s De Rosa). A 70's De Rosa doesn't play by the normal rules - they're so rare and prized. A 60s one even more so.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I don't think it's original either, and I hate the repaint, but if it's a 76' De Rosa it will go far higher than indicated above (assuming buyers can verify it is a mid-70s De Rosa). A 70's De Rosa doesn't play by the normal rules - they're so rare and prized. A 60s one even more so.
True.

OP, do some leg work to determine it's approximate year and authenticity. I'm not a derosa expert by any stretch of the imagination but the 3 I've owned all had 'DeRosa' engraved into the fork crown. Maybe the older ones didn't.
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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
True.

OP, do some leg work to determine it's approximate year and authenticity. I'm not a derosa expert by any stretch of the imagination but the 3 I've owned all had 'DeRosa' engraved into the fork crown. Maybe the older ones didn't.
I'm not an expert either, but I think that engraving is correct for the period. I don't know the time lines, and I'm not even sure there is 100% consistent usage, but I do think they used different engravings before the one you mention.
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I dated it using the pictures I found on Classic Rendezvous, although I may be off by a year, since the one I posted has long drop outs, and no cable-guides.

The fork crown matches, in any case.

I really don't need a restoration project, but I've snagged the pantographed stem and the shifting parts, and have the rest of the parts in the basement - just don't want to paint anymore...

Here's the 76 on CR

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Originally Posted by american psycho View Post
I dated it using the pictures I found on Classic Rendezvous, although I may be off by a year, since the one I posted has long drop outs, and no cable-guides.

The fork crown matches, in any case.

I really don't need a restoration project,]
Who says you have to restore it? It you have all the parts to complete the build and the price matches condition go for it. Something like that will always holds value.
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For me the chain stays will help define its year. At this point I would be inclined to push it earlier. Appears to be a 56-57 center to top.
Condition of the fork crown chrome will also have a bearing on the value.
To me a 56 would be worth $1,000. Given no major foibles. A repainted always brings questions.
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You know, that could be repainted. But maybe not. Is there evidence of an earlier color under the blue on that top tube rusty bare patch? Paint looks like it has some age to it for sure. And if it's an earlier model, perhaps it's right.
Just trying look on the half-full side.
which is out of character for me. :>
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This is now being flipped on the CR list at the suggested $1000 price for frame. I really hope the OP didn't come to us for advice so he could flip to the community.

Also - for the record, the OP edited out some verbiage asking others not to bid because he wanted it so much.

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
This is now being flipped on the CR list at the suggested $1000 price for frame. I really hope the OP didn't come to us for advice so he could flip to the community.
You a communist? Do you really think noone bid on the bike because I asked?

It's a rare bike, I don't have time to restore, and you should keep your opinions to yourself.

If the frame doesn't sell, I'll get it repainted, build it up, and sell it for even more, but only if KonAaron Snake is OK with my pricing ;-)
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No - I won't keep my opinion to myself in this case. What you did was tacky as hell. I'm no communist, and I've certainly flipped my share of bikes, but when I ask for advice, I explain I'm flipping it on the front end. I don't come back and flip it to the people that helped me. I also don't edit out the post to try and hide that's what I did.

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I think tacky would be to put it on ebay.

i didn't edit to hide anything but rather to add info.

your accusations strike me as paranoid, and your slander as immaturity.

The purpose of this forum is to establish value, for purchasing or selling, get a life.
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Is the pantogrphing on the drive side seat stay missing the "A" in "De Rosa"?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
No - I won't keep my opinion to myself in this case. What you did was tacky as hell. I'm no communist, and I've certainly flipped my share of bikes, but when I ask for advice, I explain I'm flipping it on the front end. I don't come back and flip it to the people that helped me. I also don't edit out the post to try and hide that's what I did.

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Is the pantogrphing on the drive side seat stay missing the "A" in "De Rosa"?
Sure looks like it.
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That's pretty shoddy workmanship, something I would not associate with De Rosa...and the non-drive pantographing seems slightly crooked and it would seem that the "D" is shallower than the "A", at lewst from the photo displayed here.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
That's pretty shoddy workmanship, something I would not associate with De Rosa...and the non-drive pantographing seems slightly crooked and it would seem that the "D" is shallower than the "A", at lewst from the photo displayed here.
Noticed that as well.

Not his proudest moment.
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Noticed that as well.

Not his proudest moment.
Indeed. This bike was built after DeRosa became known, so volumes were increasing.
The seat stay caps are just identification stamped, so the variation is an unsquare hit or variable thickness, I don't know if these frames got plugs or caps.
This frame is still pretty rare, but later than my primary interest. A '73 or '74 would be the one to really pursue, but would fetch more too.
Not shown is the seatpost lug slot, for a time the slot was just an unfinished saw cut, no attempt to provide a stress relief at the root.
Ugo was obviously in transition from small builder to manufacturer.

I don't think it should be of any surprise that this frame is being flipped, history provides adequate precedent.
Not part of the CR group, so no comments from me there.
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Indeed. This bike was built after DeRosa became known, so volumes were increasing.
The seat stay caps are just identification stamped, so the variation is an unsquare hit or variable thickness, I don't know if these frames got plugs or caps.
This frame is still pretty rare, but later than my primary interest. A '73 or '74 would be the one to really pursue, but would fetch more too.
Not shown is the seatpost lug slot, for a time the slot was just an unfinished saw cut, no attempt to provide a stress relief at the root.
Ugo was obviously in transition from small builder to manufacturer.

I don't think it should be of any surprise that this frame is being flipped, history provides adequate precedent.
Not part of the CR group, so no comments from me there.
There is a 1976 De Rosa in Minnetonka, MN that I will likely pick up in the next year or so.

I have seen that particular bicycle on several occasions and it doesn't have these slips.

Suggests to me that there was some range of finish/QC benchmarks.

I would guess this pictured example would still be a pretty sweet rider.
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Originally Posted by american psycho View Post
I think tacky would be to put it on ebay.

i didn't edit to hide anything but rather to add info.

your accusations strike me as paranoid, and your slander as immaturity.

The purpose of this forum is to establish value, for purchasing or selling, get a life.
Let's be clear cretin...since you've made this juvenile:

You indicated you were excited to add this to your collection in your post. You asked others not to bid because you were excited to own it. You edited it out afterwards. You implied in your sales post that you bought as a collector and were kindly moving it on.

How about this - you've acted like a dishonest sleaze ball who behaved poorly. You know you did because you edited it afterwards.

Had you been honest and said you wanted to flip it and wanted to know what it cost, there'd be no issue. The issue is that you were dishonest seeking advice and your sale ad, where you pretend it's part of your collection, is dishonest.

That's the last I'll say about it. At the end of the day you have to look in the mirror and deal with it.

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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
There is a 1976 De Rosa in Minnetonka, MN that I will likely pick up in the next year or so.

I have seen that particular bicycle on several occasions and it doesn't have these slips.

Suggests to me that there was some range of finish/QC benchmarks.

I would guess this pictured example would still be a pretty sweet rider.
Interesting, do you have any photos of this bike?

Does anyone have photos of similar slip-ups on a De Rosa from this period?

I still find it hard to believe that Ugo would have let a bike with his name on it leave the shop in such a state.
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Interesting, do you have any photos of this bike?

Does anyone have photos of similar slip-ups on a De Rosa from this period?

I still find it hard to believe that Ugo would have let a bike with his name on it leave the shop in such a state.
Yes I do, but I am not at liberty to post at this time.

FWIW The fellow I am buying it from is one of the most private bike collectors I have yet to meet.

I sold him three bicycles over the last eight years after we met at a local bike shop.

I have been invited to see the bikes from time to time and it is always a joy.

He has a very nice collection that ranges from the early 1960s up to the early 1990s.

Mainly racing bicycles.
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