cbender

I'm looking for a set of 9 speed Campagnolo Ergo shifters, with alloy levers, configured for use with a 2001+ RD. Preferably the late Chorus ones with the silver lettering outlined by black, but I'm open to some nice looking Daytona or Centaur. These are going on a 1990ish Giordana frame I picked up here from miamijim, and am building up for my wife. It's going to be full Italian, and the shifters are the last bit of componentry I'm trying to track down. I'd prefer if they are fully working and don't need an overhaul of their innards.

I'm willing to pay a fair price for these - not necessarily looking for a screaming bargain, just trying to avoid the highway robbery that's happening on eBay.

I realize that post 2001 is not really very vintage, but this forum gets a lot of traffic, and surely someone who upgraded to 10 or 11 speed in the past 15 years has these sitting around gathering dust.

icepick_trotsky 

Wasn't everything but Veloce 10 speed in 2001?

jimc101

Daytona is Centaur, Centaur is it's new(er) name.

MY2000 Daytona was 9 speed (I have a set, still working great) but pretty sure it had gone 10 speed for MY2001.

cbender

Not according to the catalogs. The 2001 catalog shows both 9 and 10 speed in Record and Chorus, as well as the lower groups.

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/...lo+Catalog.pdf

By 2002, Record and Chorus were full 10 speed, but Centaur and below still offered 9 speed.

Here's an example of a 2001 Chorus, at a crazy price:

Campagnolo Chorus Alloy 9 Speed Ergopower Brake Shift Lever Set Vintage Bike | eBay

cbender

Yes, re the naming. The change happened in 2002. Looking through the catalogs, it looks like they made both 9 and 10 speed options in some of the groups for a few years during the transition.

From the Branford Bike site and the catalogs, I gather that 2001 is a hard cutoff for the change in cable pull. I've got a 2001 RD, so am looking for shifters that will work with it. An alternative option is to track down a different/older RD from the late 90s.

cpsqlrwn

The short answer is "No".
9-speed was introduced in 1997. 10 speed was introduced in mid 2000 (Record only) and 9 speed systems took on 10 speed ratios in 2001 (which is why post 2001 is important in the seller's description). Chorus became 10 speed only (no 9 speed alternative) in 2002, Centaur 10 speed only in 2003 and Veloce 10 speed only in 2006. Veloce had both 9 speed and 10 speed components in 2003, 2004, and 2005.

dddd

cpsqlrwn is god, I mean it gets so hard to find anyone who can supply such definitive timeline info as this!

I'll add that the 2001-plus 9 and 10-speed Ergolevers were designed with indexing clicks (and cable spool diameter) that didn't have to move quite as much cable, as their newer rear mech's saw a corresponding slight increase in their actuation ratio. These derailers are immediately identifiable by their lack of a B-pivot (mounting bolt pivot) tensioning screw (which was moved to the cage pivot going forward), and that the "new ratio" compatible RH levers have their number of speeds boldly printed on the front-facing portion of the lever body.

Since Campagnolo Ergo indexing had long been using a significantly-lower actuation ratio than their S-brand competitor, they increased their rear derailer actuation ratio at this time, perhaps to reduce lever throw while perhaps downsizing the lever body and spool diameter. Shimano on the other hand had already lowered their post-1995 Dura-Ace rear derailer's actuation ratio to match ALL their other SIS derailers (and would do so yet again as their various 11sp systems were rolled out).
Shimano's 10sp MTB gruppos saw a large decrease in their actuation ratios to better deal with closer cog spacings and contaminated cabling, somewhat following SRAM who had for years been using a very low 1:1 actuation ratio for their mtb rear derailers.

Note that Campagnolo's rear derailers from the Ergo years forward, as well as the newest Shimano and SRAM road derailers have actuation ratios that can make friction-shifting less fussy if the chosen friction shift lever affords enough cable travel for the chosen cog set. I look forward to testing my new Shimano and Sram 11s road derailers on a friction-shifted bike. The Ultegra and Rival 11s derailers can be had for around $50 each online btw.

RobbieTunes

Just another US Marine.

cpsqlrwn

When I used the term "10 speed ratios", I was referring to what you more accuarately described as the actuation ratio. I may have had the timeline, but you definitely expounded extremely well on the details of the mechanics.