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Originally Posted by bikingshearer
(Post 17794182)
Would modern Campy - or any Campy, for that matter - play nicely with a Charter Lea bottom bracket shell? I'm talking diameter and width, not threading, although that could be an issue, too.
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Originally Posted by John E
(Post 17792542)
This reminds me of my visit, years ago, to "Hetchins Heaven," the home of Jimmy Thompson, who used to work for Hetchins. He had two dozen bikes from a similar spread of model years, including one with a backward-threaded bottom bracket (RH on the right, LH on the left, which meant that the adjustable cup had to be mounted on the drive side). Gorgeous workmanship, if over the top, even by Capo standards. :)
I also recall seeing several ornate curvy-stayed Hetchins bikes at Charlie Harding's shop on Westwood Blvd., just south of UCLA and Westwood Village. He had converted an older, plainer one to 90 speeds with four shift levers, using a Sturmey IGH with a triple chainring and a 6-speed freewheel. Then there was a yellow and blue one with Hellenic stays and I think scorpion lugs if memory served. I really liked that one, but also liked the Legnano up front, where I became aware of and decided I needed to own a bike with Campagnolo dérailleurs. They just looked so cool. The 90 speed bike was on the third tier rack on the other side of the shop, never got a good look at it. I was 10 to 12 years old when I dropped in there most often. His attitude toward younger folk like me turned me off to buying a bike there. I was madly saving money for a nice road bike, took 32 months, my parents had stopped buying bikes for me when I was seven. |
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Originally Posted by rhm
(Post 17794294)
Yes, that should be a standard English bottom bracket shell, so you should have no compatibility issues. Headset will be trickier.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450608 |
I'm not even sure that headset fits! The top nut can't be catching more than a couple mm.
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Eddy M. approved
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4068/4...13e954992a.jpg Seriously though, for a Hetchins it doesn't seem 'over the top'. I dig it. |
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Regarding the dropout change, it would have been cool to have the one like the Trio model.
From a Hetchins site: The Trio (below) was a multi-functional frame. It had a patented rear dropout with two slots allowing the rider to lengthen or shorten the wheelbase, and two forks for road and track. The idea was not popular; probably only a dozen or so were made and roughly half that survived. http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1431383889 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450694 |
Originally Posted by Velognome
(Post 17794571)
Headset is installed in all the photographs, the buyer would be smart to insist it remains but looks to be nothing special
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450608
Originally Posted by rhm
(Post 17794584)
I'm not even sure that headset fits! The top nut can't be catching more than a couple mm.
+1. Stack height on the headset is too tall. |
Originally Posted by crank_addict
(Post 17796337)
... it would have been cool ...
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Originally Posted by rhm
(Post 17796792)
Yup, that's the size of it. I mean, plus one. If it were different, it would be different. Unfortunately, it is what it is.
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Ah but the Trio is so Hetchinish in its unorthodoxy
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Originally Posted by iab
(Post 17797593)
So if it were even more over the top it would be better?
But if we accept that this frame was built in 1948 and it was built into a bicycle at that time, then I would assume it was a top of the line build at that time. That would be interesting. What that would have consisted of, I don't know.
Originally Posted by iab
(Post 17797593)
Original dropouts were probably regular stamped horizontal.
Given the Chater Lea bottom bracket shell, I would tend to assume Chater Lea dropouts as well: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8004/7...9a50143f_b.jpg But maybe that's already more speculation than I'm comfortable with; I'd really much rather have a couple good photos of the bike as originally built. |
I think an image of the original frame or bike would be telling.
My gut feeling is the seat tube embellishments are not original too, but just wild speculation until an image from the show might appear. I would think someone took a snap or possibly a publicity shot. |
Originally Posted by rhm
(Post 17794294)
Yes, that should be a standard English bottom bracket shell, so you should have no compatibility issues. ...
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Originally Posted by John E
(Post 17797923)
Unless it's like the one Jimmy had, which had been threaded backward. :)
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Update:
The frame sold for £5201, or about $8200. |
Originally Posted by realsteel
(Post 17806325)
Update:
The frame sold for £5201, or about $8200. |
Think of all the hookers and blow that would've bought….
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That's a lot of hookers and blow. At least in my neighborhood.
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I bet it gets relisted....bidder doesn't follow through or "thought he was bidding dollars not pounds"......after placing that bid, I'm assuming the same feeling as waking up to a bed full of hookers and the bathroom mirror.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=451470 |
Well, it was interesting looking if nothing else. If you'd bought it for me and it fit, I'd have ridden the hell out of it.
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