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realsteel 05-09-15 09:03 PM

Hetchins' Hetchins
 
The frame built specially for Hyman Hetchins in 1948 has apparently shown up on eBay:

Hyman Hetchins,Founder of Hetchins Cycles,His Own Magnum Opus Frame 1948 | eBay

The holy grail of vintage British cycling: the lugwork makes the Magnus Opus look understated. Completely out of my league and probably best suited to a museum.

The Golden Boy 05-09-15 09:59 PM

That fork crown is the mutt's pyjamas!

USAZorro 05-09-15 11:12 PM

I saw the thread title and my first thought was "hyperbole". Little did I know...

Perhaps someday I'll have mine restored as nicely as this one has been.

Citoyen du Monde 05-09-15 11:38 PM

I don't get it. The seller claims a particular vintage and then realizing that the frame does not completely correspond to this vintage then goes and says it has been worked on but does not say why or to what extent work was carried out on the frame. The work done to the rear dropouts is nigh impossible to return to original. Likewise the paint is not original and to find parts would also be very difficult to find but the price is still at a huge premium over a very nice period correct frame...

USAZorro 05-09-15 11:43 PM

I think they're counting on the provenance to command the premium. I am skeptical that it will sell for the asking price, but have to admit that it's a looker and would make quite the conversation piece. Perhaps someone with the official title "Sir", and to whom money is no object is the market they are hoping to appeal to.

Italuminium 05-10-15 03:20 AM

That couch though.

Michael Angelo 05-10-15 03:28 AM

Too much for a modified frame.

cb400bill 05-10-15 04:30 AM

Pics for Posterity

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMD...VTfnH/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMD...VTfnM/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFg3NT...VTfn0/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMD...VTfn-/$_57.JPG

non-fixie 05-10-15 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 17791978)
That couch though.

Seller must be in Essex.

rhm 05-10-15 06:07 AM

Yeah, whatever. I don't get it either. All that extra doodadry stuck to the frame tubes makes it look heavy, it's the busiest looking frame I've ever seen, and it's not even a period piece. Why would anyone want it? No doubt someone will want it, but not for any reason I can comprehend.

realsteel 05-10-15 06:15 AM

Agreed. This is a not a rider's frame: it's for hanging over the fire place.

As mentioned above, the drop-outs are 1970's; the brake cable guides are in the wrong position for the 1940's; and the paint-work leaves a lot to be desired. I'm still curious as to whether or not it will sell...

Henry III 05-10-15 08:12 AM

...plus the stays are bent too.

iab 05-10-15 08:53 AM

Why all the hate?

The British are well documented to refurb their bikes.

As for it being over the top. A Hetchins? Really?

John E 05-10-15 10:05 AM

This reminds me of my visit, years ago, to "Hetchins Heaven," the home of Jimmy Thompson, who used to work for Hetchins. He had two dozen bikes from a similar spread of model years, including one with a backward-threaded bottom bracket (RH on the right, LH on the left, which meant that the adjustable cup had to be mounted on the drive side). Gorgeous workmanship, if over the top, even by Capo standards. :)

I also recall seeing several ornate curvy-stayed Hetchins bikes at Charlie Harding's shop on Westwood Blvd., just south of UCLA and Westwood Village. He had converted an older, plainer one to 90 speeds with four shift levers, using a Sturmey IGH with a triple chainring and a 6-speed freewheel.

non-fixie 05-10-15 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by realsteel (Post 17792115)
Agreed. This is a not a rider's frame: it's for hanging over the fire place.

Now, that's where I don't agree. It may be gaudy and it may be OTT, but if I had one in my size I'd build it and ride it.

rhm 05-10-15 11:17 AM

I don't hate it. I just don't understand it. If I owned it, I would sell it.

Citoyen du Monde 05-10-15 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 17792688)
I don't hate it. I just don't understand it. If I owned it, I would sell it.

+1

Michael Angelo 05-10-15 01:14 PM

Super Record 11 would look great on it.....Zipp high profile tubular rims......

Velognome 05-10-15 01:22 PM

I suppose this is the Earls Court frame, better pics here on the Hetchins site:

Hyman's Own Hetchins

rootboy 05-10-15 05:19 PM

Highly Rococo. For that kind of money, I'd get an old Herse.

iab 05-10-15 05:21 PM

For that kind of money, I'd get some hookers and blow.

rootboy 05-10-15 05:28 PM

Or maybe an old Volvo P1800

repechage 05-10-15 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 17792975)
I suppose this is the Earls Court frame, better pics here on the Hetchins site:

Hyman's Own Hetchins

I like the comments on the site of the hand painted graphics as seen on this and commented about other bikes.
I would really like to see an image of the bike in its original configuration. I just suspect it was more than just the dropouts and the cable routing that were renovated.

Velognome 05-10-15 07:37 PM

It's all kinda sketchy apparently with little or no original documentation:


Alf had it renovated and it was seen in its present state in about 1980; it was photographed for this web site in July 2010. Alf claimed that it had been made for his father, Hyman. The size 20-1/2" would have been about right for Hyman (who was not tall). The rear dropouts are not original as the right one is Campag with mech-eye (unknown in 1948). However, the head and seat lugs are certainly original, as no one would have built a frame with belled head lugs in 1980. Also the fork embellishment looks to be original 1948, as is the Chater Lea bb shell.
Claimed....However the head lugs....embellishments look to be original.


In all you can safely say it is a bit of the Hetchins story, be it 100% correct or a bit "embellished"

Wall hanger...eh.....If I had that kinda $, it would be my daily rider, I've always liked the looks of that frame.

bikingshearer 05-10-15 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Angelo (Post 17792952)
Super Record 11 would look great on it.....Zipp high profile tubular rims......

Would modern Campy - or any Campy, for that matter - play nicely with a Charter Lea bottom bracket shell? I'm talking diameter and width, not threading, although that could be an issue, too.

This is meant as a serious question, not as snark.


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