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#26
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From: Boulder County, CO
Bikes: '92 22" Cannondale M2000, '92 Cannondale R1000 Tandem, another modern Canndondale tandem, Two Holy Grail '86 Cannondale ST800s 27" (68.5cm) Touring bike w/Superbe Pro components and Phil Wood hubs. A bunch of other 27" ST frames & bikes.
The entire Velo Orange business model is what is being made in Taiwan from our partners that they can bring back to the much smaller bicycle consumer market in the US. They do actually succeed in having stuff done custom for them, but a lot of it is just simply rebranded.
I don't have anything against Velo Orange kit, its better than a lot of the garbage that sells these days. However, its nothing like some of the authentic quality C&V bits that actually have cache to them.
I don't have anything against Velo Orange kit, its better than a lot of the garbage that sells these days. However, its nothing like some of the authentic quality C&V bits that actually have cache to them.
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The point is the same, you absolutely CAN make a 7/8 speed bike with derailleurs on an al USA made build, frame included. Heck, you can even manage USA made frame tubing (aluminum or steel). Also Bryan Heu made some indexing thumb shifters, I think. A USA build , it can be done.
As others have noted, we might have to assert that consumables (notably tires, for example...) 'don't count' to make this work?
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#29
1/2 as far in 2x the time


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From: Northern Bergen County, NJ
Bikes: Yes, Please.
Almost done repainting an Eisentraut "Limited" that I got on eB, just waiting on decals.(reference old post "What did I just buy").
Have these parts for it:
American classic BB
Mathauser brake calipers
Weyless hubs (but with wolber rims) or Hi-E (but need to build.)
Ritchey stem
Figuring on Scott bars.
Still a long way to go on the parts list. Thanks for posting manufacturers.
When I won the frame, I liked the idea of building a 'traut "American," as he had some strong feelings about it bitd. I've got the feeling this is going to take a while...
Cheers, Eric
Have these parts for it:
American classic BB
Mathauser brake calipers
Weyless hubs (but with wolber rims) or Hi-E (but need to build.)
Ritchey stem
Figuring on Scott bars.
Still a long way to go on the parts list. Thanks for posting manufacturers.
When I won the frame, I liked the idea of building a 'traut "American," as he had some strong feelings about it bitd. I've got the feeling this is going to take a while...
Cheers, Eric
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#30
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From: Upper Left, USA
USA made shifter! One Street Shifter: Store Literally looks like garbage, but it'll shift.
Sounds like there are a few other niche derailleurs that were made around the same time as Paul's.
https://www.bikemag.com/gear/derailleur-sells-1000/
"While the $280 derailleur was soon joined by similar models from Precision Billet, Prototype Machining, Rhino Racing, Gorilla Billet and White Industries, none possessed the allure of Paul’s masterpiece."
Looks like Precision Billet has been reincarnated! If you expand your requirement to include made in USA and CAN, then you can use these. https://www.precisionbillet.com/home.html
Joe's rear derailleur, made in Colorado: https://***********************/prototy...er-super-rare/
White Industries Rear Derailleur. Strange dual rail design. https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...erailleur.html
Sounds like there are a few other niche derailleurs that were made around the same time as Paul's.
https://www.bikemag.com/gear/derailleur-sells-1000/
"While the $280 derailleur was soon joined by similar models from Precision Billet, Prototype Machining, Rhino Racing, Gorilla Billet and White Industries, none possessed the allure of Paul’s masterpiece."
Looks like Precision Billet has been reincarnated! If you expand your requirement to include made in USA and CAN, then you can use these. https://www.precisionbillet.com/home.html
Joe's rear derailleur, made in Colorado: https://***********************/prototy...er-super-rare/
White Industries Rear Derailleur. Strange dual rail design. https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...erailleur.html
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#31
1/2 as far in 2x the time


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From: Northern Bergen County, NJ
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USA made shifter! One Street Shifter: Store Literally looks like garbage, but it'll shift.

Mathauser apparently recommended CLB Brake levers... So far the only solution I have come up with is to tie the bare brake cables to the stem (in a nice way). Then pull them away from the bike to actuate the caliper.
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Almost done repainting an Eisentraut "Limited" that I got on eB, just waiting on decals.(reference old post "What did I just buy").
Have these parts for it:
American classic BB
Mathauser brake calipers
Weyless hubs (but with wolber rims) or Hi-E (but need to build.)
Ritchey stem
Figuring on Scott bars.
Still a long way to go on the parts list. Thanks for posting manufacturers.
When I won the frame, I liked the idea of building a 'traut "American," as he had some strong feelings about it bitd. I've got the feeling this is going to take a while...
Cheers, Eric
Have these parts for it:
American classic BB
Mathauser brake calipers
Weyless hubs (but with wolber rims) or Hi-E (but need to build.)
Ritchey stem
Figuring on Scott bars.
Still a long way to go on the parts list. Thanks for posting manufacturers.
When I won the frame, I liked the idea of building a 'traut "American," as he had some strong feelings about it bitd. I've got the feeling this is going to take a while...
Cheers, Eric
Noticed the mention of the Scott-Mathauser calipers. Do you have the pads?
#36
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Joined: Aug 2014
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From: Saint Louis
Bikes: Guerciotti, Serotta, Gaulzetti
USA made shifter! One Street Shifter: Store Literally looks like garbage, but it'll shift.
Our Bike Shift Lever has only six parts - four are common items and two are cast out of scrap aluminum using the techniques outlined in our book, Backyard Aluminum Casting. This shifter works for either the front or rear derailleur and for all gear ranges. It also works for throttles and chokes on other sorts of machines such as yard equipment, small motorcycles, and boats. It is designed for easy production and repair by people who rely on their bicycles every day.

The good news seems to be I can buy their book and make my own shifters!
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#37
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Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers), All-City Space Horse (hers)
Has any company made bike tires in the US after the demise of the single-tube?
#39
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Thomson Bike Thomson - LH Thomson
Stems Seatpost Handle bars
https://enve.zendesk.com/hc/en-us
Wheels
Wheelsmith
Spokes and nipples
Zinn Cycles Custom Bicycles Boulder Colorado, Custom Road Bikes, Custom Mountain Bikes, Cyclocross Bikes, and Travel Bikes | Zinn Cycles website
cranks and nice fork
eecycleworks.com
Brakes: EE Cycleworks
| Designs by Ted Ciamillo (tciamillo@gmail.com / 770-364-7933)
Brakes: Ciamillo Zero Gravity
Bar Tape & Accessories - Selle Anatomica
Selle An-Atomica
bar tape , saddle
Stems Seatpost Handle bars
https://enve.zendesk.com/hc/en-us
Wheels
Wheelsmith
Spokes and nipples
Zinn Cycles Custom Bicycles Boulder Colorado, Custom Road Bikes, Custom Mountain Bikes, Cyclocross Bikes, and Travel Bikes | Zinn Cycles website
cranks and nice fork
eecycleworks.com
Brakes: EE Cycleworks
| Designs by Ted Ciamillo (tciamillo@gmail.com / 770-364-7933)
Brakes: Ciamillo Zero Gravity
Bar Tape & Accessories - Selle Anatomica
Selle An-Atomica
bar tape , saddle
#40
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Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Topton Pa
Bikes: A few bikes
[MENTION=73614]rhm[/MENTION] this is almost as good as your wooden shifter whittled out of wood.
#41
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From: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Wow!
I usually find the term "frankenbike" mildly offensive. But if you put one of these on it, it will deserve the title.
Cast aluminum is not a very durable material. I wonder if you could cast brass or bronze, or a copper alloy with a lower melting point, by the same method. Stronger and prettier, though not cheaper.
I usually find the term "frankenbike" mildly offensive. But if you put one of these on it, it will deserve the title.
Cast aluminum is not a very durable material. I wonder if you could cast brass or bronze, or a copper alloy with a lower melting point, by the same method. Stronger and prettier, though not cheaper.
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#42
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Frame: Klein Attitude - something with an obnoxious color scheme
Fork: White Brothers Magic
Headset: Chris King
Bar: Ritchey/Easton Prolite
Stem: Thompson
Seatpost: Thompson
Brake Levers: Kooka Racha
Brakes: Interloc Racing Widget
Bottom Bracket: Phil Wood Outboard
Crankset: Groovy Hot Rod Cranks
Saddle: Selle Anatomica NSX
Rear Derailluer: Paul Components Long Cage
Cassette: Wolf Tooth Components cogs - 16-17-18-19-20-21-22-40-42
Rear Shifter: Paul Components Thumbies w/Simplex Retrofriction (France allied our Revolution, close enough)
Chain:Viking Titanium Chain is the only thing i could find, might be sol here
Hubs: White Industries Cassette
Spokes: Wheelsmith
Rims: Velocity Blunt
Tires: Nothing exists, therefor Ritchey Z Max Classic. You get a USA name at least, and readily available tanwall.
Fork: White Brothers Magic
Headset: Chris King
Bar: Ritchey/Easton Prolite
Stem: Thompson
Seatpost: Thompson
Brake Levers: Kooka Racha
Brakes: Interloc Racing Widget
Bottom Bracket: Phil Wood Outboard
Crankset: Groovy Hot Rod Cranks
Saddle: Selle Anatomica NSX
Rear Derailluer: Paul Components Long Cage
Cassette: Wolf Tooth Components cogs - 16-17-18-19-20-21-22-40-42
Rear Shifter: Paul Components Thumbies w/Simplex Retrofriction (France allied our Revolution, close enough)
Chain:Viking Titanium Chain is the only thing i could find, might be sol here
Hubs: White Industries Cassette
Spokes: Wheelsmith
Rims: Velocity Blunt
Tires: Nothing exists, therefor Ritchey Z Max Classic. You get a USA name at least, and readily available tanwall.
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#43
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Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
I dunno, All US builds temd to have a lot of stuff with the goofy names.... makes the Euro stuff sound so serious in comparison...
I guess it's just the culture here that mostly considers bicycles as toys for kids plus the relaxed attitude for most things from the west coast.... "Salsa"??, "Kooka Racha"??, "Groovy Hot Rod"??, "Racing Widget"??, "Paul"?? what was next?, "Bob"??.....The Euros must have been rolling their eyes when they heard of those brands for the first time.....
I guess it's just the culture here that mostly considers bicycles as toys for kids plus the relaxed attitude for most things from the west coast.... "Salsa"??, "Kooka Racha"??, "Groovy Hot Rod"??, "Racing Widget"??, "Paul"?? what was next?, "Bob"??.....The Euros must have been rolling their eyes when they heard of those brands for the first time.....

#44
I dunno, All US builds temd to have a lot of stuff with the goofy names.... makes the Euro stuff sound so serious in comparison...
I guess it's just the culture here that mostly considers bicycles as toys for kids plus the relaxed attitude for most things from the west coast.... "Salsa"??, "Kooka Racha"??, "Groovy Hot Rod"??, "Racing Widget"??, "Paul"?? what was next?, "Bob"??.....The Euros must have been rolling their eyes when they heard of those brands for the first time.....

I guess it's just the culture here that mostly considers bicycles as toys for kids plus the relaxed attitude for most things from the west coast.... "Salsa"??, "Kooka Racha"??, "Groovy Hot Rod"??, "Racing Widget"??, "Paul"?? what was next?, "Bob"??.....The Euros must have been rolling their eyes when they heard of those brands for the first time.....


#45
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#46
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Met up with a friend last night, he received the confirmation for one of the hundred frames being made. Frame only will be USA made. Columbus tubing, Italy. Not sure of the ENVE fork.
Further mentioned is planning to build with modern Campy but with some vintage character traits. Probably Cambium Brooks, tubular in skinwalls. Lucky fellow.
Masi Legacy - Masi Bikes - US Gran Criterium
◾Made from Columbus Life custom drawn tube sets, manufactured and sourced directly from Columbus, Milan.
◾ENVE Composite Road 2.0 fork, 1.25" tapered steerer tube
◾Chris King Inset Headset
◾BB86 Push Fit Bottom bracket shell
◾Masi Evoluzione, Performance Race geometry - this is a full-fledged steel race bike
◾Featuring 14mm Double "S" Bend Seat stays
◾31.8mm front derailleur clamp size
◾27.2mm seat post diameter
◾44 mm head tube to accommodate the tapered fork crown and oversize bearing.
◾56cm frame weighs approx. 1800g
◾Each frame has its serial number incorporated within the seat mast decal.
◾A Color matched Silca Impero pump can be purchased as an upgrade.
◾Each frame is hand painted by Jim Allen. Jim was Masi's painter throughout the late 1970's and 1980's.
Further mentioned is planning to build with modern Campy but with some vintage character traits. Probably Cambium Brooks, tubular in skinwalls. Lucky fellow.
Masi Legacy - Masi Bikes - US Gran Criterium
◾Made from Columbus Life custom drawn tube sets, manufactured and sourced directly from Columbus, Milan.
◾ENVE Composite Road 2.0 fork, 1.25" tapered steerer tube
◾Chris King Inset Headset
◾BB86 Push Fit Bottom bracket shell
◾Masi Evoluzione, Performance Race geometry - this is a full-fledged steel race bike
◾Featuring 14mm Double "S" Bend Seat stays
◾31.8mm front derailleur clamp size
◾27.2mm seat post diameter
◾44 mm head tube to accommodate the tapered fork crown and oversize bearing.
◾56cm frame weighs approx. 1800g
◾Each frame has its serial number incorporated within the seat mast decal.
◾A Color matched Silca Impero pump can be purchased as an upgrade.
◾Each frame is hand painted by Jim Allen. Jim was Masi's painter throughout the late 1970's and 1980's.
#48
Velocity makes rims both in the USA and Australia.
H+Sons may also make USA rims???
I can't think of any US made freewheels, but I woudn't be surprised if one is out there... somewhere.
Chains? Maybe industrial chains???
H+Sons may also make USA rims???
I can't think of any US made freewheels, but I woudn't be surprised if one is out there... somewhere.
Chains? Maybe industrial chains???
#49
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From: Seattle area
Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?
Until Dario introduced the Googlie Mooglie frameset. (not sure of the spelling)
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#50
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From: Zionsville, Indiana
Bikes: Chapman Rando, Rivendell Atlantis, Trek 2100, Bridgestone MB5, Burley Duet, Trek 614, Super Mondia, Mercian, Rudge, Peugeot AO-8, Woodrup and F.H. Scott Dragon in the queue
Sadly, your drivetrain will be incomplete without a US-made chain or belt. Diamond Chain used to make bicycle (and motorcycle) chains, but no more. And Gates is now a British company with no U.S. plants.







