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When it comes to your bike, is it "OEM" or nothing?
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
(Post 18176460)
When it comes to your bike, is it "OEM" or nothing? Period correct? or correct, period?
I then spent a couple hours googling to make sure I was correct (in my memory) of what the proper bottle cage would be. |
I guess I'm weird; it depends on the bike. The stuff I most enjoy riding is typically more modern and I use what I like. The show pieces...I range depending on the bike. I am a good enough is good enough kinda guy...and if getting that last bolt means dealing with PBbikes, I'll do without.
I based this (blatantly stole) from one pogue developed. 0. - suitable for use as an explosive/pipe bomb. Also can be used "found art" and other such indignities. Bike may be referred to as a Lithuanian and you are permitted to play Creed near bike. 1. Suitable for outdoor beater storage. Put a chain around it, toss it in the ocean to anchor a boat, no harm done. Nearly any profanity may be used to describe bike, NSFW or not. 2. Hack, drew, saw away. Store under at least an awning or deck. No words used that would result in a YouTube video if spoken in public. 3. Eligible for powder coating, rattle can and art school projects, any weirdo configuration that can be imagined, but no drewing. Adding braze ons ok. No responsibility for saving original parts. Kept inside. No words used that would result in a slap. 4. Welcome to repaint in any way, including powdercoat, but some effort should be put forth to use decals if restoring. Tinkering welcome, original parts should be saved. Free to replace wheels with clinchers. Ok to add braze ons or coldset. Nothing worse than 4 letter words. 5. Some effort should be made to preserve paint when possible. If restoring, should be done with paint and decals should be done correctly. DIY jobs ok. Cold setting and hot rodding acceptable, but no adding braze ons UNLESS done by a prior owner. Changing to clinchers ok, must keep original parts if dated correctly. Use of whatever consumables desired is permitted. 6. Same as above, except repaint must be done by a person who has done 10 or more restorations. Allowed to see rain, but no salty roads. Bicycle should be gazed at fondly. Nothing worse than shoot or dang. 7. Repaints/restorations must be done by a professional. Hot rodding still permitted unless bike has 100% of date correct parts intact and in good original condition. Can still be ridden with modern clothes and lighting. Not allowed to ride if rain is 50% or more probably - unless you have fenders. Fenders still permitted to be after market. Must speak to bicycle as if it were a person. 8. Restorations only to be done by top pros. Restoration only permitted when threat of rust is significant. No cold setting. No hot rodding. Must use parts that look date correct to casual glance. May ride through puddles when needed, but care taken to use other bikes with chance of rain. May retrofit an old light with LEDs. Must use tubulars if spec'd tubular (or reasonably expected to be tubular). Duty bound to find "correct" parts when reasonably priced. Must lovingly caress bicycle before leaving house. 9. Every part should be correct, date specific and replacement bits must be as close to original as heroic effort produces. If part only available from absurd eBay sellers, plan heist. No killing allowed for bike parts. All consumables should be as close to original as heroic effort makes possible, including tires and tape. Bike must be re-greased, cleaned, waxed and fetishized at least annually. Storage space must have dehumidifier. Mood lighting should follow bike at all times...hire crew as needed! Must use Charleston Heston voice and/or Shakespearean dialogue when near bike. 10. Must be willing to commit mass murder for a barrel adjuster. If original screw is not available, must build time machine to acquire screw. All viewers must undergo decontamination and quarantine procedure prior to viewing. Must hire virgin to throw rose petals at front tire when ridden. Don't taunt bicycle, EVER. Must be kept in room where you sleep. Animals required to be sacrificed to bicycle weekly. Restoration only permitted to be performed within 10 miles of bike's birth and by original painter, or those descended thereby. If not possible, see time machine requirement. May not utter the word Shimano within 10 miles of bicycle. May only speak in Latin, Aramaic or Hebrew near bike. |
I'm currently building up a Rixe touring bike, from maybe the '70s or '80s. Info is so scarce that I'm lucky to get wheels that fit! :) Also, it was never a really high end bike--- apparently some of them were built by Raleigh, so that's the direction I'm going. Mostly, I'm adding components that fit as I find them. I've already violated OEM by putting in a sealed cartridge BB. My goal in a "restoration" is to make it better than new, eliminating known weaknesses as I go, if possible. Who keeps a bike stock, anyway?
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Some stuff has to be "right." And my "right" doesn't necessarily coincide with what is or was or was commonly found in that era...
I love mid 80s touring bikes and early 90s components. So my 1984/5 bikes look a lot like if someone had 'upgraded' them in 1993. http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...ps61ccftsq.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psihzv903o.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psdq2mayga.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6742ea4d.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psc0igwzky.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/47...90/35/bbvu.JPG http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psovhy3wfp.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psfdcd2800.jpg http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3011f573.jpg |
What's right for me-- original stem and bars
campagnolo group set, English saddle for English bikes and Italian saddle for Italian bikes. I don't freak out over cables chains and bar tape. |
I'm with Mr Snake; it depends (a lot) on the bike.
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Always do the right thing.
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Originally Posted by Needles
(Post 18176526)
I'm currently building up a Rixe touring bike, from maybe the '70s or '80s. Info is so scarce that I'm lucky to wheels that fit! :) Also, it was never a really high end bike--- apparently some of them were built by Raleigh, so that's the direction I'm going. Mostly, I'm adding components that fit as I find them. I've already violated OEM by putting in a sealed cartridge BB. My goal in a "restoration" is to make it better than new, eliminating known weaknesses as I go, if possible. Who keeps a bike stock, anyway?
Aaron :) https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7414/1...9db4eba5_c.jpg |
Depends on the bike, some I keep as original as possible, others may bear some resemblance to the original.
Aaron :) |
Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 18176844)
Depends on the bike, some I keep as original as possible, others may bear some resemblance to the original.
Aaron :) |
I go both ways.
I'll wait forever and pay a silly amount for the right part. Or I'll Drew it up to fit my aesthetic sensibilities. |
I am starting to tire of total "period correct" on my bikes.
That's why I stopped doing British sports cars in the early 80s. Went to a local SCCA show with a neat TR6 many years ago and all the old farts did was pick apart the car. Took the fun right out of it. Same thing happened two weeks ago with my McLean. A local collector picked apart the bike for two hours while we were on a ride with friends. I finally told him to shut his trap. Ultimately, I get weary of folks pontificating about what is and isn't correct about bikes. At some point I just shut down and ride with guys that couldn't care less about minutiae. Maybe that's why I am riding the more modern stuff again. I don't feel it's as limiting to me. |
You forgot an option:
[] Let's see what's in these parts boxes before we spend any more money on this project. |
I do what the teams in the 70's or 80's would do if they had a stash of 11 speed Campy beamed to them from the future.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 18176521)
I guess I'm weird; it depends on the bike. The stuff I most enjoy riding is typically more modern and I use what I like. The show pieces...I range depending on the bike. I am a good enough is good enough kinda guy...and if getting that last bolt means dealing with PBbikes, I'll do without.
I based this (blatantly stole) from one pogue developed. [COLOR=#3E3E3E][COLOR=#000000] 6. Same as above, except repaint must be done by a person who has done 10 or more restorations. Allowed to see rain, but no salty roads. Bicycle should be gazed at fondly. Nothing worse than shoot or dang. 7. Repaints/restorations must be done by a professional. Hot rodding still permitted unless bike has 100% of date correct parts intact and in good original condition. Can still be ridden with modern clothes and lighting. Not allowed to ride if rain is 50% or more probably - unless you have fenders. Fenders still permitted to be after market. Must speak to bicycle as if it were a person. 8. Restorations only to be done by top pros. Restoration only permitted when threat of rust is significant. No cold setting. No hot rodding. Must use parts that look date correct to casual glance. May ride through puddles when needed, but care taken to use other bikes with chance of rain. May retrofit an old light with LEDs. Must use tubulars if spec'd tubular (or reasonably expected to be tubular). Duty bound to find "correct" parts when reasonably priced. Must lovingly caress bicycle before leaving house. 9. Every part should be correct, date specific and replacement bits must be as close to original as heroic effort produces. If part only available from absurd eBay sellers, plan heist. No killing allowed for bike parts. All consumables should be as close to original as heroic effort makes possible, including tires and tape. Bike must be re-greased, cleaned, waxed and fetishized at least annually. Storage space must have dehumidifier. Mood lighting should follow bike at all times...hire crew as needed! Must use Charleston Heston voice and/or Shakespearean dialogue when near bike. 10. Must be willing to commit mass murder for a barrel adjuster. If original screw is not available, must build time machine to acquire screw. All viewers must undergo decontamination and quarantine procedure prior to viewing. Must hire virgin to throw rose petals at front tire when ridden. Don't taunt bicycle, EVER. Must be kept in room where you sleep. Animals required to be sacrificed to bicycle weekly. Restoration only permitted to be performed within 10 miles of bike's birth and by original painter, or those descended thereby. If not possible, see time machine requirement. May not utter the word Shimano within 10 miles of bicycle. May only speak in Latin, Aramaic or Hebrew near bike. My Motobecane Grand Record is the only "9" or "10" bike that I own that is all original, including the chain and tires. Only the bar wrap, done by the prior owner, is not showroom. I'm searching for the perfect replacement as we speak (not). http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...pstaucaq2p.jpg OCD types imagine that the current owner removed the rare and scarce French or Italian components and put them in the trash. My "7" bikes were purchased as incomplete bikes that were neglected but not abused. The PX10 came without several important items, including the wheels and derailleurs. Most PX10 bikes have either the derailleurs or shifters replaced with something made of metal. The Simoncini and Serotta were purchased as a frame & fork. Both the Simoncini and Serotta were probably built with Japanese components in the first place. 1971 PX10 includes a professional repaint and personally hot-rodded by myself. Few people in the real world will notice the granny gear on the crank, clincher tires on modern retro look rims, Dura Ace band on shifters and a Suntour front derailleur. The rear triangle has been professionally reset for a 126mm wide Campagnolo hub and that wears a 6 speed freewheel. MAFAC Professional centerpulls arrived with the bike, so why replace them with inferior Racers? It keeps OCD PX10 fanatics tossing and turning at night. http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...psudnlqb8i.jpg This 1995-ish Simoncini Cyclocross bike probably was first built with brifters and a 8 speed cassette, but I built it up to look older with bar-end shifters. The triple crankset with 48, 36 and 26 chainrings provides a perfect range with the 13-24 seven speed freewheel. http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps424e59f1.jpg This 1986 Serotta Nova Special X has been discreetly hot rodded, but even experts can't see most of the upgrades from stock. The bike probably was first built with a 2x6 drivetrain and friction shifters. It now features 24 speed (3x8) with indexed downtube shifters. The bike and gear range has helped me complete the 150 KM Dairyland Dare with 9000 ft of climbing. It's only limited by the motor. Most people who would never put a triple on a road bike have never completed a hilly century. http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...psab71db9e.jpg This 1978ish Mixte for my daughter has a 2015 brakes, shifters and deraillers. The original 2x6 city gearing has been replaced with a 3x7 touring range. It's a Hot Rod with style and it could be ridden across the United States in comfort with excellent reliability. http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...psmpxqwnf1.jpg http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...psyvh57o7h.jpg http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps85tdjdcd.jpg http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...psatheoaxi.jpg |
For kicks, I'll take on a project that at least nods toward period correct or, such as my PX-10, as many French parts as possible, but overall I intend to ride what I own, and that means functionality trumps all.
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Originally Posted by gomango
(Post 18176873)
That's why I stopped doing British sports cars in the early 80s. Went to a local SCCA show with a neat TR6 many years ago and all the old farts did was pick apart the car. |
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Originally Posted by thinktubes
(Post 18177001)
Didja blow their doors off?
Actually my 1972 won best in show. Then my brother took it out and took a 3rd with it in the actual race that morning. Man, that kid could drive bitd. :) |
Originally Posted by gomango
(Post 18176873)
That's why I stopped doing British sports cars in the early 80s. Went to a local SCCA show with a neat TR6 many years ago and all the old farts did was pick apart the car. Took the fun right out of it. A couple of years ago he built one and set the world landspeed record in it: http://ticktickvroom.com/chris-conra...eed-week-2013/ |
Robbie, Because I have rebuilt my '89 Cannondale so many times, I had to go with frame and fork. :)
I did patiently search for years for a NOS set of white hooded 600 levers (to match the rest of the group) yet I leave the frame's scratches untouched as they all are a memory of one DA moment or another...not sure what that says about me. Brad |
Originally Posted by gomango
(Post 18176873)
I am starting to tire of total "period correct" on my bikes.
That's why I stopped doing British sports cars in the early 80s. Went to a local SCCA show with a neat TR6 many years ago and all the old farts did was pick apart the car. Took the fun right out of it. Same thing happened two weeks ago with my McLean. A local collector picked apart the bike for two hours while we were on a ride with friends. I finally told him to shut his trap. Ultimately, I get weary of folks pontificating about what is and isn't correct about bikes. At some point I just shut down and ride with guys that couldn't care less about minutiae. Maybe that's why I am riding the more modern stuff again. I don't feel it's as limiting to me. |
My Miyata Triple Cross, which is barley ridden, is a mess of a bike. My Trek 910, which is always ridden, is nearly (from what I can tell) original and shall remain so as much as possible forever.
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when we had our seattle c&v ride last year, i took my '73 falcon san remo with its modern brakeset.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5200/...54ae5b6f_b.jpg it was the first bike i ever rebuilt, and i was into aero levers at the time. by the time of this group ride, i had reverted back to appreciating and favoring period-correct non-aero levers. i sort of apologized for the aeros. but i got nothing but compliments on the bike. everyone was really nice. my '76 grand record was the second bike i ever built, and it has the same brakeset. i've since found two sets on campy non-aeros and am in the process of converting both bikes back to non-aero. it's an expensive project with new fizik tape as well, but it will be worth it to me. |
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