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#26
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From: Hardy, VA
Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs
Whenever I disassemble something with nuts and bolts, I immediately replace the nuts back on the bolts. I know what will happen if I forget.
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In search of what to search for.
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#28
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From: CID
Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers), All-City Space Horse (hers)
For the parts manufacturers, definitely.
#30
Bikes are okay, I guess.



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From: Richmond, Virginia
Bikes: Waterford Paramount Touring, Raleigh Sports 3-speeds in M23 & L23, Schwinn Cimarron oddball build, Marin Palisades Trail dropbar conversion, Nishiki Cresta GT, Jeunet mixte
One approach is to have multiples of the critical tools (pencils, tape measures, carpenter's squares, 17mm sockets, etc.) so that when you misplace one you are then likely to encounter another of the same that you had the forethought to procure. Sometimes I'm dazzled by my own brilliance, except that my approach runs into a lot of money spent on duplicate toolage.
#33
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From: Port Angeles, WA
Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.
I currently know the exact location of a grand total of one (1) of them.
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● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
#34
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Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Oakland, CA
Bikes: centurion cinelli equipe, look hinault 753, Zunow z-1, 83 stumpy sport
i have this problem in spades. When I do locate the item I often wonder what the hell I was thinking putting it where I did.
One thing I try to do is practicing the flash method: where as you put something down, blink once and flash the image into your mind as you drop it. but i only remember to do this AFTER i ahve already lost at least 2 things...
One thing I try to do is practicing the flash method: where as you put something down, blink once and flash the image into your mind as you drop it. but i only remember to do this AFTER i ahve already lost at least 2 things...
#35
What??? Only 2 wheels?


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From: Boston-ish, MA
Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10
My small wrenches seem to know when I intend to use them. The one I want always hides underneath all the others. It's a conspiracy. If I ever put down the one I'm using it scurries away to hide under whatever is convenient.
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#36
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I have at least five Metric 5 allen wrenches.
Still can't find them when a bike is under repair.
I buy one whenever I'm in Lowe's. Same with 10mm wrenches.
I sold a frame not long ago. Thomson seat post binder.
Today, I found the cylindrical nut that goes inside it.
By the time I find my cadence sensors, and install them, I can't remember how to set up the Garmin.
I've bought at least 3 new saddle bags when visiting REI or Performance, only to find the ones I thought I had when I got home.
I once videotaped the disassembly of a hub, so I could remember how it went back. I lost the SD card.
I buy tubes in anticipation of pinching them.
There are at least 200 spokes here. For what?
I used to ride all Selle Italia. Then Selle San Marco. Then Bontrager Inform RL. Now it's Prologo. You'd think my butt could decide.
I'm not an impluse buyer. I'm a sporadic thinker.
Still can't find them when a bike is under repair.
I buy one whenever I'm in Lowe's. Same with 10mm wrenches.
I sold a frame not long ago. Thomson seat post binder.
Today, I found the cylindrical nut that goes inside it.
By the time I find my cadence sensors, and install them, I can't remember how to set up the Garmin.
I've bought at least 3 new saddle bags when visiting REI or Performance, only to find the ones I thought I had when I got home.
I once videotaped the disassembly of a hub, so I could remember how it went back. I lost the SD card.
I buy tubes in anticipation of pinching them.
There are at least 200 spokes here. For what?
I used to ride all Selle Italia. Then Selle San Marco. Then Bontrager Inform RL. Now it's Prologo. You'd think my butt could decide.
I'm not an impluse buyer. I'm a sporadic thinker.
#38
multimodal commuter
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
I remember going into a music shop 35 years ago to buy a guitar pick. One guitar pick. One.
Now I'd buy the whole box and let them accumulate on random surfaces whatever I happen to put them down. Eventually there's a guitar pick everywhere I look, which is good, cuz otherwise I'll never find one.
Now I'd buy the whole box and let them accumulate on random surfaces whatever I happen to put them down. Eventually there's a guitar pick everywhere I look, which is good, cuz otherwise I'll never find one.
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#39
Still learning

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From: North of Canada, Adirondacks
Bikes: Still a garage full
Keeping track of tools between the basement, garage, and worksite is a PITA. Is there an app for that?
#40
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From: Fredericksburg, Va
Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
I have discovered using a flashlight to search for parts. My wife thinks I am crazy. It helps me focus on what I am looking at and if what I am looking for is hiding in the shadows, it is exposed. Works really well well when placed on the floor to shine across the surface. Every single thing that is higher than the floor surface shows up. If the item is shinny, it reflects. With my damaged eyesight in the left eye, it helps even more.
Ok, so I am now dependent on having a flashlight handy as I am misplacing or loosing parts and tools all the time, including finding the flashlight! Costco use to sell those CREE flashlights, 3 in a pack for $20. I have bought about 3 sets. Now there is one in every car, the tool chest, at least one in each bedroom and one in the family room. They are small and easy to store. I don't have a problem finding one anymore, there is always a backup in the next room. Buy batteries in bulk at Costco is a necessity now!
I use to keep stray parts because there might be a use for them later. I now save them because I can't remember where they came from and one day I might find the source and the part within the few nanoseconds I can recognize or remember they go together.
Shopping lists are becoming a necessity too. I use to remember everything I needed when shopping, either on-line or brick and mortar. Now it is, crap I forgot I needed to get ......
Ok, so I am now dependent on having a flashlight handy as I am misplacing or loosing parts and tools all the time, including finding the flashlight! Costco use to sell those CREE flashlights, 3 in a pack for $20. I have bought about 3 sets. Now there is one in every car, the tool chest, at least one in each bedroom and one in the family room. They are small and easy to store. I don't have a problem finding one anymore, there is always a backup in the next room. Buy batteries in bulk at Costco is a necessity now!
I use to keep stray parts because there might be a use for them later. I now save them because I can't remember where they came from and one day I might find the source and the part within the few nanoseconds I can recognize or remember they go together.
Shopping lists are becoming a necessity too. I use to remember everything I needed when shopping, either on-line or brick and mortar. Now it is, crap I forgot I needed to get ......
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#41
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Bikes: too many sparkly Italians, some sweet Americans and a couple interesting Japanese
My time in the shop, averages per hour:
2 min planning
5 min cleaning
3 min disassembly
5 min repair
45 min looking for the tool that was in my hand 5 min earlier
2 min planning
5 min cleaning
3 min disassembly
5 min repair
45 min looking for the tool that was in my hand 5 min earlier
#44
aka Tom Reingold




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From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
[MENTION=124730]SJX426[/MENTION], I've discovered the flashlight technique, too, even when the light is moderately good. It's hard for some of us to see stuff that is directly in front of us. It might be an evolved trait, and it might be more common in men. It's a stereotypical conversation for the guy to ask his wife where the mustard (or whatever) is, and she says it's in the front of the fridge on the middle shelf. My problem is so bad that I have to use an unusual technique in the supermarket. If an employee says I can find the mustard in Aisle 4 on the right side, I can't find it by looking there. Instead, I RUN through the aisle, looking straight ahead. I catch it in my peripheral vision. I think I'm evolved to hunt at high speed or avoid predators. My peripheral vision is very good, especially when I'm moving fast.
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#45
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@SJX426, I've discovered the flashlight technique, too, even when the light is moderately good. It's hard for some of us to see stuff that is directly in front of us. It might be an evolved trait, and it might be more common in men. It's a stereotypical conversation for the guy to ask his wife where the mustard (or whatever) is, and she says it's in the front of the fridge on the middle shelf. My problem is so bad that I have to use an unusual technique in the supermarket. If an employee says I can find the mustard in Aisle 4 on the right side, I can't find it by looking there. Instead, I RUN through the aisle, looking straight ahead. I catch it in my peripheral vision. I think I'm evolved to hunt at high speed or avoid predators. My peripheral vision is very good, especially when I'm moving fast.
Add in the parts drawer (and the bottoms of mine are black, so I use a flashlight, too), and you simply have too much to see and a narrow range of focus. I also use a flashlight to find the part that absolutely will fall under the nearest parked car or behind the dead bug in the garage.
#46
Ride, Wrench, Swap, Race

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From: Northern California
Bikes: Cheltenham-Pedersen racer, Boulder F/S Paris-Roubaix, Varsity racer, '52 Christophe, '62 Continental, '92 Merckx, '75 Limongi, '76 Presto, '72 Gitane SC, '71 Schwinn SS, etc.
[MENTION=124730]SJX426[/MENTION], I've discovered the flashlight technique, too, even when the light is moderately good. It's hard for some of us to see stuff that is directly in front of us. It might be an evolved trait, and it might be more common in men. It's a stereotypical conversation for the guy to ask his wife where the mustard (or whatever) is, and she says it's in the front of the fridge on the middle shelf. My problem is so bad that I have to use an unusual technique in the supermarket. If an employee says I can find the mustard in Aisle 4 on the right side, I can't find it by looking there. Instead, I RUN through the aisle, looking straight ahead. I catch it in my peripheral vision. I think I'm evolved to hunt at high speed or avoid predators. My peripheral vision is very good, especially when I'm moving fast.
If nothing else, the extra ground I'd cover might turn up an employee who can find things like mustard in a hurry, just as when I was looking for the pepperoncini that was on sale last week.
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From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
[MENTION=108582]RobbieTunes[/MENTION], good story. Speaking of evolution, I don't mean my lifespan. I'm speaking of the human race over the last several thousand years. Before we invented writing, we used peripheral and long vision. Reading goes beyond what we're built for. It's a recent change of lifestyle for our species, which is why the compensation techniques help some of us.
[MENTION=185430]dddd[/MENTION], many stores now have a nice policy. They won't tell you where something is. They'll go with you and pull it off the shelf for you. This helps me a lot when I shop, but it doesn't help me find things on my workbench.
[MENTION=185430]dddd[/MENTION], many stores now have a nice policy. They won't tell you where something is. They'll go with you and pull it off the shelf for you. This helps me a lot when I shop, but it doesn't help me find things on my workbench.
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Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#48
Ride, Wrench, Swap, Race

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From: Northern California
Bikes: Cheltenham-Pedersen racer, Boulder F/S Paris-Roubaix, Varsity racer, '52 Christophe, '62 Continental, '92 Merckx, '75 Limongi, '76 Presto, '72 Gitane SC, '71 Schwinn SS, etc.
...but I might find something I was looking for if I tripped over it.
#49
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From: Tixkokob, Yucatán, México
Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe (coupled), 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
When I lived in Ohio, the only way I ever found morels was with peripheral vision. The socket did turn up, in plain sight, but didn't fit. A 12 point works, but not a 6 point. I'm also having trouble with allen wrenches on this bike. Is it possible that Specialized was using SAE sizing on their 93 bikes? I only have metric sizes, so am unable to try the alternate SAE sizes.
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