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Old Olmo
Got a bike from my brother in law his Dads old Olmo. Don’t know much about it looks like a mid range from the early 70’s man is it heavy.
looks like 9060 stamped on the seat tube
Can anyone help date based on these photos?
Was just going to clean it up and spend as little as possible on it. Both time and money
So as far as safely and quickly removing rust from chrome, frame and wheels any ideas? Any other suggestions?
Its not a grail find I know but a cool old bike and all the bits are there and I believe original to the bike. At least it is out of the rain now it deserves better than that
looks like 9060 stamped on the seat tube
Can anyone help date based on these photos?
Was just going to clean it up and spend as little as possible on it. Both time and money
So as far as safely and quickly removing rust from chrome, frame and wheels any ideas? Any other suggestions?
Its not a grail find I know but a cool old bike and all the bits are there and I believe original to the bike. At least it is out of the rain now it deserves better than that
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I think your bike is interesting and worth saving; and as you said, not spending a lot of money in doing so. Now I need to ask if the seat post and stem are stuck. If they are, that is job number one. You should Google "removing rust with oxalic acid" - you'll find a link to BikeForums there. Do not put aluminum in the acid.
The rims appear to be aluminum with rusty plated spokes. I would clean the spokes as best I could (maybe steel wool and WD40, or aluminum foil and white vinegar).
Nice wing nuts on the front wheel.
The rims appear to be aluminum with rusty plated spokes. I would clean the spokes as best I could (maybe steel wool and WD40, or aluminum foil and white vinegar).
Nice wing nuts on the front wheel.
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01-04-16, 03:39 PM
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It is cool but in the condition it is in you will spend a lot of both time and money putting it back together. I would pass it on if you aren't emotionally invested in it.
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The rear brake appears to be the single spring version of the Weinmann 999 which, if OEM, would place it 1957-1962. This does not seem unreasonable given the seat tube collar. The SunTour derailleur is an obvious replacement, as is the stem, which appear to have an Allen head. I've never seen a screened (?) Columbus emblem like that. Given the apparent era, in conjunction with stamped dropouts and the OP's weight assessment, I probably wouldn't put to much credibility in it. It's not too often you see a bicycle that has obviously had reflectors added to it!
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this is the base model called the Special. lugset is Agrati "BRIANZA."
have had three of them come through.
Peter Brueggeman should be along shortly with additional information for you, including a dating estimate.
in the interim you may wish to explore his Olmo page:
Olmo, Peter Brueggeman
Olmo Serial Number Registry, Peter Brueggeman
hint: she is a good deal earlier than "early '70's."
have had three of them come through.
Peter Brueggeman should be along shortly with additional information for you, including a dating estimate.
in the interim you may wish to explore his Olmo page:
Olmo, Peter Brueggeman
Olmo Serial Number Registry, Peter Brueggeman
hint: she is a good deal earlier than "early '70's."
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I would guess late 1950s to early 1960s. Hard to say since there's lack of information. First, I would scrutinize that serial number carefully to see if/how it fits within the Olmo Serial Number Registry I compile [ Olmo Serial Number Registry, Peter Brueggeman ]. To me, it looks like C966 or O966 but it is hard to see in those photos. I would work on it with a toothpick to see if I could dig some surface dirt out and delineate the letter and numbers better. I would want to know which parts on it were really old for dating input. The brakes are very good quality, being the anodized Weinmann 999 Vainqueur Deluxe brakes. Can't tell if they are single spring or double spring though, with the cutover in Weinmann catalogs being 1962 as mentioned. Even if they aren't original to the bike, they date the frame back to pre 1962/1963. The hubs look old and whatever they are and the rims could be a clue to dating. I can't tell for certain but there seems to be no braze-ons on the top tube for the brake cable? From the Brianza lugged Olmos I've seen, they seem to all have top tube brake cable braze-ons. Perhaps really old ones do not have these braze-ons. If you want to converse on this further, you can email me at the email address at top of the Olmo Serial Number Registry..... Peter
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wow thanks for the input. I will take a look harder at the serial number
I was told by my brother in law seventies and saw the honor derailleur and thought it made sense. I remember seeing the shifters are Campagnola
the rims had some cool details to them
Work week I will dust it off next weekend and clean it a bit and take some better pictures
Any requests for what I photograph?
I very much appreciate the fast and informative responses
I was told by my brother in law seventies and saw the honor derailleur and thought it made sense. I remember seeing the shifters are Campagnola
the rims had some cool details to them
Work week I will dust it off next weekend and clean it a bit and take some better pictures
Any requests for what I photograph?
I very much appreciate the fast and informative responses
01-04-16, 11:43 PM
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Details which can be determined by your close examination are:
close scrutiny of that serial number
OLMO headset?
Brand on hubs and rims?
Any name on hub wingnuts?
Brand of saddle and seatpost (if any)?
Brand of handlebars and stem?
One or two springs in Weinmann brakes?
Brand of brake levers and pedals?
brake cable braze-on stops on underside of top tube?
Is the bike repainted? If original paint, any traces of decals, particularly on the downtube?
Do any family members have recollections of when this bike was purchased and/or ridden? Ask around.
These will help fill in details so you can figure out the approx year and possibly the bike model... but I don't know of a lot of old Olmo model names having Brianza lugs. The decals seem to have been lost over time.
What I see on it in those photos:
Brianza lugs
chrome head lugs and fork crown
chrome stay and fork ends
Magistroni crankset
Agrati stamped dropouts with scalloped backs
OLMO seat post clamp
C966 or O966 serial number
close scrutiny of that serial number
OLMO headset?
Brand on hubs and rims?
Any name on hub wingnuts?
Brand of saddle and seatpost (if any)?
Brand of handlebars and stem?
One or two springs in Weinmann brakes?
Brand of brake levers and pedals?
brake cable braze-on stops on underside of top tube?
Is the bike repainted? If original paint, any traces of decals, particularly on the downtube?
Do any family members have recollections of when this bike was purchased and/or ridden? Ask around.
These will help fill in details so you can figure out the approx year and possibly the bike model... but I don't know of a lot of old Olmo model names having Brianza lugs. The decals seem to have been lost over time.
What I see on it in those photos:
Brianza lugs
chrome head lugs and fork crown
chrome stay and fork ends
Magistroni crankset
Agrati stamped dropouts with scalloped backs
OLMO seat post clamp
C966 or O966 serial number
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I live in Encinitas and teach at UCSD, if you want another local to have a look at your Olmo.
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some of the questions are answered below. I really cannot say it has not been repainted but I suspect it has not. The decals have suffered over time. It appears that several parts are not original as pointed out the Schwinn bars make sense as the closet real bike shop back in the 70's was Hals bike Shop on Convoy where performance Bike is today.
I noticed the damage on the front rim when I pulled it out today which is too bad
I am not sure what was meant by single or double spring
uploaded some new photos
I noticed the damage on the front rim when I pulled it out today which is too bad
I am not sure what was meant by single or double spring
uploaded some new photos
Details which can be determined by your close examination are:
close scrutiny of that serial number .............................D905
OLMO headset?..................Yes
Brand on hubs and rims?...............Nisi Toro front is damaged did not notice it until I pulled it out today cannot discern any info on hubs i see a bit of something
Any name on hub wingnuts?.............................No
Brand of saddle and seatpost (if any)? .....................Advocet nothing special about it could not see markings on seatpost it is not locked up
Brand of handlebars and stem?..............................SR handlebars Schwinn handlebars not original obviously
One or two springs in Weinmann brakes?.............................not sure
Brand of brake levers and pedals?...................................... pedals are not original I think, Brevete SGD is on the brake clamp cannot find other markings
brake cable braze-on stops on underside of top tube? ..............................no clamps throughout
Is the bike repainted? If original paint, any traces of decals, particularly on the downtube?.............................not sure on this there is one decal which is not readable and a cinelli sticker in bad shape
Do any family members have recollections of when this bike was purchased and/or ridden? Ask around.........................will do
These will help fill in details so you can figure out the approx year and possibly the bike model... but I don't know of a lot of old Olmo model names having Brianza lugs. The decals seem to have been lost over time.
What I see on it in those photos:
Brianza lugs
chrome head lugs and fork crown
chrome stay and fork ends
Magistroni crankset
Agrati stamped dropouts with scalloped backs
OLMO seat post clamp
C966 or O966 serial number
close scrutiny of that serial number .............................D905
OLMO headset?..................Yes
Brand on hubs and rims?...............Nisi Toro front is damaged did not notice it until I pulled it out today cannot discern any info on hubs i see a bit of something
Any name on hub wingnuts?.............................No
Brand of saddle and seatpost (if any)? .....................Advocet nothing special about it could not see markings on seatpost it is not locked up
Brand of handlebars and stem?..............................SR handlebars Schwinn handlebars not original obviously
One or two springs in Weinmann brakes?.............................not sure
Brand of brake levers and pedals?...................................... pedals are not original I think, Brevete SGD is on the brake clamp cannot find other markings
brake cable braze-on stops on underside of top tube? ..............................no clamps throughout
Is the bike repainted? If original paint, any traces of decals, particularly on the downtube?.............................not sure on this there is one decal which is not readable and a cinelli sticker in bad shape
Do any family members have recollections of when this bike was purchased and/or ridden? Ask around.........................will do
These will help fill in details so you can figure out the approx year and possibly the bike model... but I don't know of a lot of old Olmo model names having Brianza lugs. The decals seem to have been lost over time.
What I see on it in those photos:
Brianza lugs
chrome head lugs and fork crown
chrome stay and fork ends
Magistroni crankset
Agrati stamped dropouts with scalloped backs
OLMO seat post clamp
C966 or O966 serial number
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In the double spring, there are two independent springs, one for each arm. In the single spring version one long piece of spring wire runs between and operates both arms. 'Used until December 1962' diagram is single spring version. Other diagram illustrates two spring version.
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Hello Gallo,
Thank you for the update and the additional pictures.
Some of the fittings which are clearly not original to the bicycle include pedals, front derailleur, rear derailleur, handlebar stem, reflectors, headset locknut and saddle. Since handlebar stem is a Schwinn it would be good to verify its diameter as many Schwinn stems have a diameter of .833 inches rather than the size your bicycle is made for of 22.2mm (larger than .833). The replacement headset locknut may have this size opening as well.
The machine's brake levers are not a match for the brake calipers so it is likely that one or both are not original to the machine. The examples of this model from this era I have had come through my workshop were all fitted with Balilla sidepull brakes.
The cycle's original pedals would have been Sheffield brand, the front derailleur Campagnolo Gran Sport, the rear derailleur Campagnolo Gran Sport, the handlebar stem Ambrosio Champion steel with an "O" sticker in the center of the expander bolt head, the handlebar Ambrosio Champion alloy. The original crank cotters would have had false acorn nuts with a blue coloured disc pressed into the top with a letter "O" in the centre. The original saddle was a leather one manufactured by Italia or Rosa and fitted with an Olmo nameplate on its heel.
The transfers on the bicycle's seat tube appear to be made of paper. They are likely someone's idea of fun applied post manufacture.
Peter will be along anon with more and better information to help you.
Thank you for the update and the additional pictures.
Some of the fittings which are clearly not original to the bicycle include pedals, front derailleur, rear derailleur, handlebar stem, reflectors, headset locknut and saddle. Since handlebar stem is a Schwinn it would be good to verify its diameter as many Schwinn stems have a diameter of .833 inches rather than the size your bicycle is made for of 22.2mm (larger than .833). The replacement headset locknut may have this size opening as well.
The machine's brake levers are not a match for the brake calipers so it is likely that one or both are not original to the machine. The examples of this model from this era I have had come through my workshop were all fitted with Balilla sidepull brakes.
The cycle's original pedals would have been Sheffield brand, the front derailleur Campagnolo Gran Sport, the rear derailleur Campagnolo Gran Sport, the handlebar stem Ambrosio Champion steel with an "O" sticker in the center of the expander bolt head, the handlebar Ambrosio Champion alloy. The original crank cotters would have had false acorn nuts with a blue coloured disc pressed into the top with a letter "O" in the centre. The original saddle was a leather one manufactured by Italia or Rosa and fitted with an Olmo nameplate on its heel.
The transfers on the bicycle's seat tube appear to be made of paper. They are likely someone's idea of fun applied post manufacture.
Peter will be along anon with more and better information to help you.
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In the double spring, there are two independent springs, one for each arm. In the single spring version one long piece of spring wire runs between and operates both arms. 'Used until December 1962' diagram is single spring version. Other diagram illustrates two spring version.
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Hello Gallo,
Thank you for the update and the additional pictures.
Some of the fittings which are clearly not original to the bicycle include pedals, front derailleur, rear derailleur, handlebar stem, reflectors, headset locknut. Since handlebar stem is a Schwinn it would be good to verify its diameter as many Schwinn stems have a diameter of .833 inches rather than the size your bicycle is made for of 22.2mm (larger than .833). The replacement headset locknut may have this size opening as well.
The machine's brake levers are not a match for the brake calipers so it is likely that one or both are not original to the machine. The examples of this model from this era I have had come through my workshop were all fitted with Balilla sidepull brakes.
The transfers on the bicycle's seat tube appear to be made of paper. They are likely someone's idea of fun applied post manufacture.
Peter will be along anon with more and better information to help you.
Thank you for the update and the additional pictures.
Some of the fittings which are clearly not original to the bicycle include pedals, front derailleur, rear derailleur, handlebar stem, reflectors, headset locknut. Since handlebar stem is a Schwinn it would be good to verify its diameter as many Schwinn stems have a diameter of .833 inches rather than the size your bicycle is made for of 22.2mm (larger than .833). The replacement headset locknut may have this size opening as well.
The machine's brake levers are not a match for the brake calipers so it is likely that one or both are not original to the machine. The examples of this model from this era I have had come through my workshop were all fitted with Balilla sidepull brakes.
The transfers on the bicycle's seat tube appear to be made of paper. They are likely someone's idea of fun applied post manufacture.
Peter will be along anon with more and better information to help you.
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here is a photo of one of three examples of this model I have owned. she is even in the same colour:
[only surviving picture so no other views available]
[only surviving picture so no other views available]
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I like this bike. Some problems to correct, but I think worth rebuilding. A bit concerned about that one rim in the closeup image, the aluminum appears to have localized salt accelerated corrosion.
Olmo was a brand who's time had passed before I was aware of bikes. Fun to see.
Olmo was a brand who's time had passed before I was aware of bikes. Fun to see.
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Serial number D905 dates it to 1960 (!)
It wasn't a top model ... would be a lower model.
Though a lower model, those Brianza lugs are so fun to see. It gives the bike quite a vintage look...
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It wasn't a top model ... would be a lower model.
Though a lower model, those Brianza lugs are so fun to see. It gives the bike quite a vintage look...
Peter
some of the questions are answered below. I really cannot say it has not been repainted but I suspect it has not. The decals have suffered over time. It appears that several parts are not original as pointed out the Schwinn bars make sense as the closet real bike shop back in the 70's was Hals bike Shop on Convoy where performance Bike is today.
I noticed the damage on the front rim when I pulled it out today which is too bad
I am not sure what was meant by single or double spring
uploaded some new photos
I noticed the damage on the front rim when I pulled it out today which is too bad
I am not sure what was meant by single or double spring
uploaded some new photos
01-10-16, 03:24 PM
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Ok talked to my brother in law Bike was purchased 1961-62 used for the then princely sum of 160.00 or about his monthly wage. It was used as a commuter between Pacific Beach and Kearny Mesa here in San Diego for many years in the early 60's.
It was repainted in the early 70's and at that time the campy derailleurs were replaced as well as the handlebar and stem. Stem and handle bars were rusted beyond use and I assume the campy stuff was worn. It was done by a co worker and local racer. It was originally a Celeste Green or just like an old Bianchi as my Brother in Law put it. I asked about the brakes and he did not remember them being replaced. I asked about the wingnut front and that is how he always remembers the bike. My guess is it was bought with these already on the bike.
got a few parts coming Ambrosia stem Campy front and rear not period correct but functional. I will most likely have a new front rim lace to the old hub to keep the wingnut not sure about the rear the will not be a full restore but I tear it down get some fresh grease new cables and housing it will get it running So far I have spent 90.00 figure an another 2-300 way more than I could sell it for but hopefully get the bike another 20-30 years of life.
Will post once complete
I very much appreciate all the input.
It was repainted in the early 70's and at that time the campy derailleurs were replaced as well as the handlebar and stem. Stem and handle bars were rusted beyond use and I assume the campy stuff was worn. It was done by a co worker and local racer. It was originally a Celeste Green or just like an old Bianchi as my Brother in Law put it. I asked about the brakes and he did not remember them being replaced. I asked about the wingnut front and that is how he always remembers the bike. My guess is it was bought with these already on the bike.
got a few parts coming Ambrosia stem Campy front and rear not period correct but functional. I will most likely have a new front rim lace to the old hub to keep the wingnut not sure about the rear the will not be a full restore but I tear it down get some fresh grease new cables and housing it will get it running So far I have spent 90.00 figure an another 2-300 way more than I could sell it for but hopefully get the bike another 20-30 years of life.
Will post once complete
I very much appreciate all the input.
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So, you asked about rust. I'm going to toss this out there for you before you hit the OA bath thing. It's definitely easier to spot-treat, it's e-friendly, and super easy to use, just soak paper towels and wrap around the metal. Let sit, then rinse off with clean water, wipe down. https://www.evaporust.com/
You can buy it on Amazon, I had trouble finding locally. A little bit goes a long way if you're doing the paper-towel wrap method.
I didn't believe the hype, but for $8 to get a bottle enough to do 50 bikes, I figured "what the hell?" and bought it. I won't screw around with other methods. This stuff is great for cranksets and frames. I reckon if you wanted to buy by the gallon, you could soak parts in it, then pour the remainder back in the jug as long as you removed any loose material off the part before hand.
You can buy it on Amazon, I had trouble finding locally. A little bit goes a long way if you're doing the paper-towel wrap method.
I didn't believe the hype, but for $8 to get a bottle enough to do 50 bikes, I figured "what the hell?" and bought it. I won't screw around with other methods. This stuff is great for cranksets and frames. I reckon if you wanted to buy by the gallon, you could soak parts in it, then pour the remainder back in the jug as long as you removed any loose material off the part before hand.
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Hello again Gallo,
Sounds like you are moving along solidly with this.
Thought you might like to see this example which is for sale just o'er your back fence in Escondido.
It is the same model and time as your bicycle and looks to be pretty much all original.
Might even merit a trip to get some better photos to guide you in your restoration effort.
These pictures are from the seller so apologies for the small format...
Here is the listing itself:
Early 1960's Olmo Special Road Bike Bicycle Vintage Campagnolo Components 59
Sounds like you are moving along solidly with this.
Thought you might like to see this example which is for sale just o'er your back fence in Escondido.
It is the same model and time as your bicycle and looks to be pretty much all original.
Might even merit a trip to get some better photos to guide you in your restoration effort.
These pictures are from the seller so apologies for the small format...
Here is the listing itself:
Early 1960's Olmo Special Road Bike Bicycle Vintage Campagnolo Components 59
01-11-16, 12:50 AM
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My point is you've got a very rare bike, for the era it represents, in the US. Like having a Volvo in the US in the early 1960s.
