Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

First bicycle - Elvish

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

First bicycle - Elvish

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-05-16 | 05:05 AM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
[H] First bicycle - Elvish

Hi,
I'm interested in buying a classical bicycle but I don't know much about the subject.
I made some research and i found an old Elvish:
The owner claims that it has:
Frame - Reynolds 531;
Crank - Stronglight;
Gears - Simplex;
Stem - Pivo;
Brakes - Mafac Racer;

Can someone tell me if it's a decent bicycle?
Thank you.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
elvish6.jpg (88.1 KB, 133 views)
File Type: jpg
elvish5.jpg (73.4 KB, 122 views)
File Type: jpg
elvish4.jpg (96.1 KB, 127 views)
File Type: jpg
elvish3.jpg (99.4 KB, 123 views)
File Type: jpg
elvish2.jpg (99.4 KB, 135 views)
File Type: jpg
elvish1.jpg (98.9 KB, 363 views)

Last edited by steve vai; 03-05-16 at 08:50 AM.
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:17 AM
  #2  
kunsunoke's Avatar
spondylitis.org
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 128
From: Fleetwood, PA, USA

Bikes: '84 Colnago Super; '90 Bridgestone MB-1; '81 Trek 930; '01 Cinelli Supercorsa; '62 Ideor Asso; '87 Tommasini Super Prestige; '13 Lynskey R2300; '84 Serotta Nova Special; '94 Litespeed Catalyst; etc.

Yes, it's a good bike. Elvish made very good bikes in the south of France for a very long time. The bikes disappeared here as the Japanese got good at bike building during the early '80s and started to dominate the market.

This one appears to be in pretty good shape, with minimal rust and good/appropriate patina. Tubing is Reynolds 531, which has very good ride properties. You'll want to go over the frame very closely to ensure that there's no bending. front-end impacts, dents, etc.

Pricing will be key. The bike won't be a rip-off if priced under $500. Elvish wasn't spectacularly well-known or particularly collectible.

The bike is French, so normal French bike caveats apply - e.g. exact replacement parts are old/French/in dwindling supply. You will want to check the Simplex derailleurs to ensure they have no cracks in the Delrin. It'd also be best to check the Pivo stem for cracks, even though those stems weren't infamous for being "death stem" types (see - https://theheadbadge.blogspot.com/2012/08/death-stems-demystified-ava-and-atax.html).

kunsunoke is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:34 AM
  #3  
jimmuller's Avatar
What??? Only 2 wheels?
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 13,501
Likes: 995
From: Boston-ish, MA

Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10

Welcome to C&V! I'm sure someone else will know more than I but here is what I see. The only frame detail I can see is the lower head tube lug but the long point and workmanship look very nice. The details look early 70's. It clearly is not a bottom-end bike. The crank is TA-style (50.4 BCD), possibly Nervar, a good crank. MAFAC brakes are decent, stop well but can be noisy if not set up well. Some people don't like them (but I do). The derailleurs are bottom-line Simplex but light for their day, very likely worn out, and the front is likely to crank if it hasn't already. They aren't problems per se because you can replace them with very good Suntour or similar that would have been period-correct upgrades. Wheels look to be aluminum, not steel. Bottom bracket is probably French thread, no longer made but replacement bearing cups are available easily enough. Most likely the tubing is French size too.

It looks like a good bike to me! Does it fit you? Are the wheels true?
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
jimmuller is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:12 AM
  #4  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by kunsunoke
Yes, it's a good bike. Elvish made very good bikes in the south of France for a very long time. The bikes disappeared here as the Japanese got good at bike building during the early '80s and started to dominate the market.

This one appears to be in pretty good shape, with minimal rust and good/appropriate patina. Tubing is Reynolds 531, which has very good ride properties. You'll want to go over the frame very closely to ensure that there's no bending. front-end impacts, dents, etc.

Pricing will be key. The bike won't be a rip-off if priced under $500. Elvish wasn't spectacularly well-known or particularly collectible.

The bike is French, so normal French bike caveats apply - e.g. exact replacement parts are old/French/in dwindling supply. You will want to check the Simplex derailleurs to ensure they have no cracks in the Delrin. It'd also be best to check the Pivo stem for cracks, even though those stems weren't infamous for being "death stem" types (see - https://theheadbadge.blogspot.com/2012/08/death-stems-demystified-ava-and-atax.html).

Thank you for the reply!
The price is ~150$. Is it worth? I'll probably need to change/fix some components but I'm ok with that (It will be fun).
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:16 AM
  #5  
The Golden Boy's Avatar
Extraordinary Magnitude
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 14,087
Likes: 2,146
From: Waukesha WI

Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT

If the seatpost and stem are not stuck- I think you're getting a good deal for $150.
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*

Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!

"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
The Golden Boy is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:16 AM
  #6  
bikemig's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,845
Likes: 5,809
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Originally Posted by steve vai
Thank you for the reply!
The price is ~150$. Is it worth? I'll probably need to change/fix some components but I'm ok with that (It will be fun).
Yes; it is well worth the asking price. That's quality bike with a reynolds 531 DB main triangle and good quality parts.
bikemig is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:25 AM
  #7  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by jimmuller
Welcome to C&V! I'm sure someone else will know more than I but here is what I see. The only frame detail I can see is the lower head tube lug but the long point and workmanship look very nice. The details look early 70's. It clearly is not a bottom-end bike. The crank is TA-style (50.4 BCD), possibly Nervar, a good crank. MAFAC brakes are decent, stop well but can be noisy if not set up well. Some people don't like them (but I do). The derailleurs are bottom-line Simplex but light for their day, very likely worn out, and the front is likely to crank if it hasn't already. They aren't problems per se because you can replace them with very good Suntour or similar that would have been period-correct upgrades. Wheels look to be aluminum, not steel. Bottom bracket is probably French thread, no longer made but replacement bearing cups are available easily enough. Most likely the tubing is French size too.

It looks like a good bike to me! Does it fit you? Are the wheels true?
Thank you!
Hm, I haven't tested the bicycle... The frame size is 54, I'm 1.78m (5.8"). That should fit me, right?
About the wheels, Is there a major problem if they are not true? (Can I fix them myself?)
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:27 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 701
Likes: 208
From: Madison, Ohio

Bikes: Gitane tdf,Schwinn 12.2,2 continentals,miyata310,univega supra soort,couple peugeots,ou8,ou10,a few mtb's and other bikes

Nice classic.
Kdogbikes is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:32 AM
  #9  
kunsunoke's Avatar
spondylitis.org
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 128
From: Fleetwood, PA, USA

Bikes: '84 Colnago Super; '90 Bridgestone MB-1; '81 Trek 930; '01 Cinelli Supercorsa; '62 Ideor Asso; '87 Tommasini Super Prestige; '13 Lynskey R2300; '84 Serotta Nova Special; '94 Litespeed Catalyst; etc.

Originally Posted by steve vai
Thank you for the reply!
The price is ~150$. Is it worth? I'll probably need to change/fix some components but I'm ok with that (It will be fun).
Yes, it's worth the $150.

The wheels can be trued pretty easily, assuming you have a spoke-wrench and can work in quarter or half turns of the wrench. It's best if you have a truing stand, though - otherwise you have to use the brake shoes to judge the degree of true.
kunsunoke is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:33 AM
  #10  
Homebrew01's Avatar
Super Moderator
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,987
Likes: 1,169
From: Ffld Cnty Connecticut

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Originally Posted by steve vai
Thank you!
Hm, I haven't tested the bicycle... The frame size is 54, I'm 1.78m (5.8"). That should fit me, right?
About the wheels, Is there a major problem if they are not true? (Can I fix them myself?)
54cm should be about right. But hard to say for sure based on your proportions, preferences and the manufacturer definition of 54.

Truing wheels is not very difficult. Give them a spin. If there's a slight wobble side to side relative to the brake pads, probably an easy fix.
If there's an up and down "flat spot" from hitting a pothole, that can often require rim replacement.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 11:46 AM
  #11  
non-fixie's Avatar
Cyclotouriste
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,795
Likes: 7,023
From: South Holland, NL

Bikes: Yes, please.

Welcome to Bikeforums!

Very nice! I'd buy that if it were my size.

I hope you get it and we get to see more of it.

__________________
Shuffling with the prince












non-fixie is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 02:57 PM
  #12  
Lascauxcaveman's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 7,955
Likes: 705
From: Port Angeles, WA

Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.

At $150, I'd take a chance on it. As mentioned earlier, those Delrin plastic derailleurs tend to break, but they generally shift quite well up until the point they do. If you take off the front derailleur while cleaning up the bike, use caution when re-attaching it. You can only put it on so snug until it snaps. At that point you can upgrade to something more durable, or buy a cheap original replacement online or in our sale/trade forums here. It's a point of pride (how long you can use 'em before they break) among some owners who keep the original plastic Simplex bits on their bike.

Cool bike. You buy this one, and then buy a Pashley. That way, when someone asks you what you've got hiding in your garage, you can answer "Elvish, Pashley."
__________________
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●


Last edited by Lascauxcaveman; 03-05-16 at 03:17 PM.
Lascauxcaveman is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 03:02 PM
  #13  
lostarchitect's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,970
Likes: 59
From: Catskills/Brooklyn, NY

Bikes: See sig

Frankly I think the frameset alone is worth $150, or at least $100. Yes, that's a really good buy at that price.
lostarchitect is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 03:18 PM
  #14  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Thank you all for the replies !
I just bought the bicycle and im pretty pleased with it! I didn't knew that the tires must be glued. I need to replace them due to the worn.
The bicycle will be awesome with a new paint. I'll post some pictures when it's ready!
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 04:05 PM
  #15  
Banned.
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 4,816
Likes: 29
From: on the beach

Bikes: '73 falcon sr, '76 grand record, '84 davidson

if the paint's in decent shape, i'd probably pay over $200, even though it looks way too small for me (5'11").
eschlwc is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 04:50 PM
  #16  
lostarchitect's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,970
Likes: 59
From: Catskills/Brooklyn, NY

Bikes: See sig

It has what are called "tubular" tires, yes, they are glue-ons.

You could get a second set of wheels with clincher tires which would be easier to deal with for an everyday rider, or you could have new wheels built using the current hubs and a nice vintage looking clincher rim like the H+Son TB-14, or something like that.

I would recommend against painting it, though. The paint looks like it will be fine with a little touch up, and maybe some oxalic acid to get ride of the rust. Once you have it repainted the bike is no longer original, and the value will drop.
lostarchitect is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 05:28 PM
  #17  
jimmuller's Avatar
What??? Only 2 wheels?
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 13,501
Likes: 995
From: Boston-ish, MA

Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10

Originally Posted by steve vai
The bicycle will be awesome with a new paint.
As lostacrhitect said, don't paint it just to be painting it. Touch up whatever minor places are rusty. Worn paint is part if its heritage and the paint will be original only once. Of course it has already been painted over then paint all you want, and it is your bike after all. Understand however that making it look as good as new is quite difficult!
Sew-up tires feel different from clinchers. Some of us think that difference is worth the extra trouble. But a set of clincher wheels is not a bad idea too while you learn about sew-ups.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
jimmuller is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 05:45 PM
  #18  
exmechanic89's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 2,617
Likes: 10
From: Richmond VA area

Bikes: '00 Koga Miyata Full Pro Oval Road bike.

Nice bike, I've never seen one of those before. Definitely looks worth $150 to me, if everything works pretty well it's a very good price, imo.
exmechanic89 is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 05:49 PM
  #19  
bikemig's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,845
Likes: 5,809
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Please don't paint it; the original paint is what makes the bike special. You will want to pick up a set of clincher rims for that bike.
bikemig is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:01 PM
  #20  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by lostarchitect
It has what are called "tubular" tires, yes, they are glue-ons.

I would recommend against painting it, though. The paint looks like it will be fine with a little touch up, and maybe some oxalic acid to get ride of the rust. Once you have it repainted the bike is no longer original, and the value will drop.
Alright, I wont paint it!
What about the saddle, it's definitely not the original. What type/brand do you recommend?

Last edited by steve vai; 03-05-16 at 06:15 PM.
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:10 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 801
Likes: 3
From: S Oregon

Bikes: Berthoud Randoneusse, Curt Goodrich steel road, Zanconato Minimax road, Jeff Lyon steel all road,

If the bike fits its worth it. Very cool bike. get the saddle that also fits. Maybe start with a Brooks, they can be found used here or on ebay. don't buy a bunch of new saddles, trade with people on here or elsewhere, or buy used and sell used for the same price. I made the mistake of buying a couple new saddles that i rode for a month and sold for half the price paid. waste of money. now i trade or get them way cheap on ebay. I still have not found my favorite saddle in a couple years looking.
MZilliox is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:13 PM
  #22  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by bikemig
You will want to pick up a set of clincher rims for that bike.
I'll use the bike to go to college/work (15km a day). Is it worth the investment? Which ones do you recommend?
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:14 PM
  #23  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by MZilliox
If the bike fits its worth it. Very cool bike. get the saddle that also fits. Maybe start with a Brooks, they can be found used here or on ebay. don't buy a bunch of new saddles, trade with people on here or elsewhere, or buy used and sell used for the same price. I made the mistake of buying a couple new saddles that i rode for a month and sold for half the price paid. waste of money. now i trade or get them way cheap on ebay. I still have not found my favorite saddle in a couple years looking.
Alright, thank you!
steve vai is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 06:21 PM
  #24  
bikemig's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,845
Likes: 5,809
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

It is absolutely worth the investment. Tubulars are great but they are a pain you do not want to deal with if commuting.

You can find something used on craigslist or you can shop around online. You will first want to measure the rear drop outs to see what will fit. This is an older bike and so finding a wheelset will take a bit more time.

Once you buy the bike, measure the rear drop outs and start a thread here; you'll get some advice on how best to proceed.
bikemig is offline  
Reply
Old 03-05-16 | 07:08 PM
  #25  
Homebrew01's Avatar
Super Moderator
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,987
Likes: 1,169
From: Ffld Cnty Connecticut

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Remove the rear wheel, then measure the distance between the inside faces of the dropouts, where the axle locknuts were just touching. Probably 120mm or 126mm. If 120, you can spread the frame a bit and put a more common 126mm clincher wheel in there.

There's a 6 speed in there now, so it may already be 126, or the previous owner put a 126 wheel in 120 spacing (common "upgrade").

I race on tubulars, but use clinchers the rest of the time. A few ride tubulars all the time, but commit to gluing or taping and learning about them.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.