juvela-

Good call on the painted head lugs and the hex fitting stem. It's possible the bike has been repainted although the decals are model and period correct. It will make a fine vintage rider for halleno.

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Hello again and thanks for the extra info guys, I've been short on time these past two days but I managed to take some new pictures that might be of use for the more experienced person to catch something we have missed. @juvela @francophile @bikemig

http://i.imgur.com/9KSelJ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xSwa7c5.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/b8jkuo8.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/TVv6xzP.jpg

And some more:
http://i.imgur.com/Tczeh7s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9KY3oD5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1Ar5RC1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TvmZce5.jpg
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halleno-

Your bike definitely had Mafac levers previously. The white plastic adjuster on the brake lever is off of a Mafac Course Lever as seen below. The stem has been switched as



http://velobase.com/CompImages/Brake...700051EBA.jpeg
previously considered. It's off of a Motobecane as the engraved logo demonstrates.

Yea figured as much, any idea what kind of levers these are? There are more replaced parts then I first thought which explains the difficulty to identify the model and year.

thanks very much for these new images halleno.

so much for my observations regarding the stem, since it obviously came from a Motobecane! :p no wonder its not a hexhead...

btw - the machine's Stronglight cottered bottom bracket is "the good one" - it has rectified races. knurling on edge of fixed cup makes me suspect shell may be swiss threaded. seems slightly odd that it is painted over. chainset is model 52.

with bertinjim on the case you cannot go wrong! :)

It's a special kind of feeling tracking down and learning the history behind your new found bike, I inspected the stickers more closely and could tell by the surface/edges that a few of them are under a layer of clear coat while a few of them have been applied above it. I suppose this confirms the theory that some work has been done to the frame regarding paint and or stickers. Are there any other areas/things that I didn't cover in my new photos that could potentially help?

you asked regarding brake levers -

they look to be a Taiwan copy of Weinmann. do not think them european or even Japanese.

you asked about clear coat and transfers -

machine's head emblem is foil so clear coat pretty much pointless. OTOH "Cadre Allege Peugeot" transfer, and several others, are decalcomania so they would benefit from clear coat.

One thing I like doing on an old bike like this is to strip it down to the frame. This allows me to deal with any rust issues on the outside and spray the inside with something like this, http://www.amazon.com/Weigles-Bicycl.../dp/B0012GO58Y

This makes it easier to clean and work on the parts; then you can rebuild the bike properly. Everyone is a little different on how far they want to in keeping a bike period correct and you can make that decision as you go along.

I seriously don't need another bike but I keep looking for an old peugeot like this. I live in the middle of the US, though, and Pugs just didn't have much market penetration here. I worked in a peugeot shop in college and just really, really liked the bikes.

halleno-

The levers are Mafac Course 130s and were made in the white as well as black plastic bodies. Velobase has an article here:

VeloBase.com - Component: MAFAC Course 130

Velobase can be useful in decoding tech speak like "Stronglight 25" and "Mafac Course".

Yea I definitely agree with you regarding picking it apart and go through it completely to check it part by part but sadly I lack alot of tools needed to do so, and space for that matter but I will do my best considering what I got and will get the tools needed for the most important parts. Yea right now I'm just so uncertain about the model that I don't quite know what to do next, the idea was to restore the bike to it's former glory but when I don't know exactly what I got in my hands it's tough to do so.

Awesome, will have a look on that and yea Velobase seems very useful.

Yea the head emblem is not clear coated as you say, I took some new pictures covering some new finding the paintjob/clear cloat of what seems to be traces of scraped stickers and attempts at repairing damaged stickers.

I suppose this is pretty far fetched but it seems weird and maybe it could help.

http://i.imgur.com/qnAeZk9.jpg
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The shield shaped transfer residue near the top to the seat tube is an odd one for a manufacturer to have fitted. It may represent the remains of a transfer from a licensing agency. Also a slightly odd spot for a retailer's transfer, they are typically mounted facing forward.

That could very well be the case, I can't wrap my head around this bike. Weird question: have you ever seen the year of manufacture stamped on the top of the seat tube? facing kinda forward?

r u sure you mean seat tube? if u mean seat lug then it is quite common to have a number there. this refers to the angle in degrees between the socket for the seat tube and the socket for the top tube. lemme guess, is it something like seventy-three?

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=518416

You know your stuff! That's exactly it, let the search go on! I'm coming to the point where I no longer know what's original and not but I won't give up just yet.

You have lots of company on this one! ;)

A question which comes up frequently...

I think my original suspicions were correct and this was heavily re-decal'd (sorry, been away a bit, major workload right now)

Question is: Did they mask the head tube, totally strip the old decals, repaint, and apply new + clear? Or just remove some decals, replace some, apply clear? BB shell could actually be original paint, although it looks thick and glossy. The whole paint job looks really glossy for 70s Peugeot white, normally it's way more dull.

No clue on the missing stickers on the non-drive side seat tube. That's a weird one. Clearly the brand is correct, but ... how bizarre. Either way, still a score IMO, but definitely repaint or (at least) bastardized.

[MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] [MENTION=297217]bertinjim[/MENTION] [MENTION=413240]francophile[/MENTION] [MENTION=305894]oddjob2[/MENTION] et al

PA 10 ~1975 European model - different seat and down tube decals - gold bands, not rainbow or tri-color.

This was an amateur racing model, popular in Europe - gas pipe frame with racing geometry, entry level components plus sewups.

A lot of European bike manufacturers offered these kinds of bikes, Gitane Interclub for example.

Stickers are inconsequential....

As mentioned above, the brake levers have been switched to Weinmann or Dia-Compe with suicide levers.

Stem is DANGEROUSLY HIGH!


verktyg :50:

Chas.

Yes this seems to be it, after I identified every single component on the bike except fork, stem and handlebar I managed to narrow the options of possible bike models granted that the bike still had most of it's original components to begin with that is. The only two models that are a perfect match in terms of components are the 1973 and 1974 PA10E, an upgraded version of the P10 from same years.

Later when searching the around in hope of finding a picture of one these in real life rather than a catalog printed one I found this:
http://i.imgur.com/zh4nVUl.jpg
The only details that are off in terms of comparison are the color of the headtube lugs and decals which could have been repainted/replaced. So in the end I will accept my bike as a PA10E from 1973/74.

Thank you [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] [MENTION=413240]francophile[/MENTION] [MENTION=302603]bikemig[/MENTION] [MENTION=61614]verktyg[/MENTION] for your help in identifying my bike.


PS. I have taken care of the high stem since the photos were taken ;)

Ahhhhh, there's the dull white paint we've come to love and expect out of 70s Frenchies....:D

One fitting not listed in a catalogue/brochure is the seat binder, an ALGI.

And the ALGI seat binders are normally not seen on the PA10's?

It is O.E.M. on your cycle...and millions of other French machines. :)

So what you are saying is that an ALGI manfactured binder should be present on my bike but I have the OEM binder? tired and confused, english not being my native language makes it abit confusing with shorts for words and such, please do explain what you mean if you care to :)

The seat binder bolt on your bicycle is a brand called ALGI. This is a French company which made fasteners and small bits of hardware. It is an original fitting your bicycle came with from the factory. It is also found on a great many other French cycles.

Here is what the firm is up to forty-three years on:

http://algi.fr/fr/