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Padraci 04-24-16 07:56 AM

Please help!
 
I'm trying to convert an old bike to a fixie, but alas, it vas vertical dropouts.
I need an eccentric bb, but is there any eccentric bb that will fit on a frame that uses a 68x113, thank you so much if you can help me.

CV-6 04-24-16 08:04 AM

An alternative is a tension device. If you search single speed tensioner, several links show up.

RobbieTunes 04-24-16 08:04 AM

Beat me to it, Lynn.

Better off to buy the kit that goes on the dropouts and adjusts chain tension that way.

nlerner 04-24-16 09:11 AM

Or figure out the right combo of cog and chainring size plus chain half links that'll give you enough chain tension.

TimmyT 04-24-16 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18714301)
Or figure out the right combo of cog and chainring size plus chain half links that'll give you enough chain tension.

Ha! The OP won't figure that one out.

JohnDThompson 04-24-16 11:10 AM

White Industries eccentric hub:

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...+Version+2.jpg

ENO ? White Industries

Lascauxcaveman 04-24-16 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 18714535)

Ooooh! Looks expensive.

Still, that would look a lot nicer than a chain tensioner tacked on. That always ruins the "clean" look of a fixie, and makes me roll my eyes and think "Ya just couldn't find a frame with horizontal dropouts, huh?"http://www.zoominto.com/zoomapi/ZoomButt.gif

JohnDThompson 04-24-16 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman (Post 18714624)
that would look a lot nicer than a chain tensioner tacked on. That always ruins the "clean" look of a fixie…

Not to mention, a chain tensioner won't work with a fixed gear.

CV-6 04-24-16 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 18714661)
Not to mention, a chain tensioner won't work with a fixed gear.

Duh. And I knew that. :bang:

Lascauxcaveman 04-24-16 01:15 PM

Oh, that's right. Even the unsprung ones can't handle the back pedaling force. Guess the ones I've seen pics of were single speed freewheel bikes. Still looks goofy.

blakcloud 04-24-16 01:36 PM

There is the Philcentric bottom bracket and you may still have to use a half-link. The added kicker is it is for outboard bearings only so you are limited to the crank you use but it will work.

Padraci 04-25-16 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by TimmyT (Post 18714363)
Ha! The OP won't figure that one out.

Thank you all for your replies! Also Timmyt, I think I'm almost there it's either 16x43 or 16x44. No w need different advice, do I NEED perfect tension? One ratio is super tight, no slack, and the chain makes noises, the other is really slack, but the chain stays on decently. If I had to pick, what should I go with? Too tight or too loose? Can this hurt my bike? (Also I can't use a tensioner because it's a fixie)

davester 04-25-16 09:23 AM

Folks are helpful here, but you might want to try the Singlespeed and Fixie forum instead of C&V next time.

lostarchitect 04-25-16 10:02 AM

I'd go single speed, or get a different frame.

Fahrenheit531 04-25-16 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman (Post 18714624)
Ooooh! Looks expensive.

My first thought as well. hahahaha

rhm 04-25-16 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Padraci (Post 18716522)
Thank you all for your replies! Also Timmyt, I think I'm almost there it's either 16x43 or 16x44. No w need different advice, do I NEED perfect tension? One ratio is super tight, no slack, and the chain makes noises, the other is really slack, but the chain stays on decently. If I had to pick, what should I go with? Too tight or too loose? Can this hurt my bike? (Also I can't use a tensioner because it's a fixie)

do you know about half-links?

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2yEAAM...mu-/s-l500.jpg

KMC 1 2 Link Half Link for 1 8" Bike Chain Z410 OL Fixie BMX Single Speed | eBay

I think the chain should be loose enough to move a half inch or so up and down. Having it too tight is inefficient and feels pretty terrible. Having it too lose, it can come off. If you go this route, keep it well lubricated, because it won't take much wear to mess up the perfect chain tension.

Padraci 04-25-16 02:20 PM

I am actually using a half link chain :thumb: I think I'm gonna go with the looser of the options, but I ordered a 44t chainring, if it's loose at 43t do you thing it might end up just right at 44?

Padraci 04-25-16 02:23 PM

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Here's the bike right now http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=518039

corrado33 04-25-16 02:31 PM

Of course that's what the bike looks like.

The chain is far too loose.

Padraci 04-25-16 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by corrado33 (Post 18717548)
Of course that's what the bike looks like.

Did I just hear ****s get fired? xD

Padraci 04-25-16 02:34 PM

Do you think a 44tooth ring would fix this?

TimmyT 04-25-16 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Padraci (Post 18717561)
Do you think a 44tooth ring would fix this?

No. The 44T ring won't fix that, but it might make the chain tighter. :roflmao2:

Padraci 04-25-16 02:41 PM

Ok, so you don't really know? I'm hoping it might make perfect tension... Is that unrealistic?

mongol777 04-25-16 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by TimmyT (Post 18717575)
No. The 44T ring won't fix that, but it might make the chain tighter. :roflmao2:

I see what you did here :D
OP, post in singlespeed but make sure you have thick skin.

Padraci 04-25-16 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by mongol777 (Post 18717594)
I see what you did here :D
OP, post in singlespeed but make sure you have thick skin.

What do you mean?

Scooper 04-25-16 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Padraci (Post 18717601)
What do you mean?

When newbies ask questions in the SS/FG forum they are usually hazed like new fraternity pledges. ;)

It's a ritual there.

corrado33 04-25-16 03:11 PM

I personally think we should start telling people that they can cut a horizontal slot in their vertical drop outs and use that for chain tension. Not only would it make them purchase a new frame (one with horizontal drop outs no doubt), but darwin may even take care of a few of them...

I mean honestly, it's the first thing that ANY fixie guide has. MAKE SURE THE FRAME HAS HORIZONTAL DROPOUTS. Is it really that hard?

AlexCyclistRoch 04-25-16 03:35 PM

I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of fixie riders don't follow logic.......

mongol777 04-25-16 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by corrado33 (Post 18717663)
I personally think we should start telling people that they can cut a horizontal slot in their vertical drop outs and use that for chain tension. Not only would it make them purchase a new frame (one with horizontal drop outs no doubt), but darwin may even take care of a few of them...

I mean honestly, it's the first thing that ANY fixie guide has. MAKE SURE THE FRAME HAS HORIZONTAL DROPOUTS. Is it really that hard?

Everyone starts somewhere so I'd cut OP some slack. And on the subject of dropouts - vertical is not such a big deal, just use WI eccentric hub, half link, magic gear, etc. Built many bikes that way, no complaints. Sometimes frame is so good or people simply attached to it and WI hub or similar solution works.
OP already posted is SS forum and as I said there - I'd start looking for another frame. Not because of the droputs but simply because I would personally start with the frame designed for 700c (or similar size) wheels.

TimmyT 04-25-16 04:16 PM

Singlespeed & Fixed Gear


Originally Posted by mongol777 (Post 18717847)
Everyone starts somewhere so I'd cut OP some slack.

OP, you have a dropout, so a chain tensioner is the easiest thing to do with vertical dropouts. It sounds like you need a 43T front, not a 42T or 44T. 43T chainring | eBay

Also, if your chain pops, how are you going to stop? Many municipalities have requirements for a front brake.


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