Of the major Italian builders, where would you put each in regards to hierarchy?
04-28-16, 11:53 PM
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Of the major Italian builders, where would you put each in regards to hierarchy?
Let me first give a disclaimer. I know each company has different levels of frames. It's not fair to say Alfa Romeo is better than Ferrari because you're comparing an Alfa 33 Stradale to a Ferrari Dino.
I understand that companies go through transitions. In this list, I'm referring to the companies in their prime/building bikes in Italy.
Everyone has their favorite company but if trying to remain objective as possible, how would you rate their hierarchy?
This can include overall history, pedigree, racing history, overall quality, etc..
For simplicity, you could just put your top 5 or top 10.
-Pinarello
-De Rosa
-Bianchi
-Colnago
-Cinelli
-Ciocc
-Masi
-Rossin
-Tommasini
-Guerciotti
-Basso
-Casati
-Pegoretti
-Scapin
-Benotto
-Moser
-Gios
-Olmo
I tried to keep it around 15....also pretty sure I made a brainfart and omitted a company that should be there. Feel free to add a company you feel more fitting.
This is out of curiosity and figured it would be fun.
I understand that companies go through transitions. In this list, I'm referring to the companies in their prime/building bikes in Italy.
Everyone has their favorite company but if trying to remain objective as possible, how would you rate their hierarchy?
This can include overall history, pedigree, racing history, overall quality, etc..
For simplicity, you could just put your top 5 or top 10.
-Pinarello
-De Rosa
-Bianchi
-Colnago
-Cinelli
-Ciocc
-Masi
-Rossin
-Tommasini
-Guerciotti
-Basso
-Casati
-Pegoretti
-Scapin
-Benotto
-Moser
-Gios
-Olmo
I tried to keep it around 15....also pretty sure I made a brainfart and omitted a company that should be there. Feel free to add a company you feel more fitting.
This is out of curiosity and figured it would be fun.
04-29-16, 12:05 AM
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Grandis is the only one that's any good, the rest are all junk. Everybody knows this.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Grandis is the only one that's any good, the rest are all junk. Everybody knows this.
Cinelli
Pinarello
Colnago
Masi
Tommasini
Ciocc
all the rest of 'em
BTW, I'll be happy to dispose of your "junk" 1986 De Rosa Professional for you. I'll even pay the shipping, because I firmly believe in keeping the environment clean and uncluttered.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Grandis is the only one that's any good, the rest are all junk. Everybody knows this.
Any chance you're near Bothell, WA and give free test rides?
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List according to MSRP? Racing successes? Popularity? Or is it subject to the official BF panel of experts?
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Originally Posted by iab
Crap. There I go again.
I'll just go with the blue ones.
I'll just go with the blue ones.
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I've only owned eight high end Italian bicycles long enough to make a valid, relative assessment. The order is as follows:
Scapin
Marinoni
Pinarello
Olmo
Colnago
Cinelli
Legnano
Bottecchia
Scapin
Marinoni
Pinarello
Olmo
Colnago
Cinelli
Legnano
Bottecchia
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04-29-16, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by D1andonlyDman
De Rosa
Cinelli
Pinarello
Colnago
Masi
Tommasini
Ciocc
all the rest of 'em
Cinelli
Pinarello
Colnago
Masi
Tommasini
Ciocc
all the rest of 'em
Then Gios and I have come across some nice Rossin and Scapin. As my brother in law said when he looked at a couple italian bikes "mmmm...I can smell the marinara"
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Gelatto
Lasagne
Vito Scagagratti or something
Ferrari
Dante (particularly the Inferno model)
Hell, I dunno. I still haven't owned a Columbus frame.
Lasagne
Vito Scagagratti or something
Ferrari
Dante (particularly the Inferno model)
Hell, I dunno. I still haven't owned a Columbus frame.
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04-29-16, 08:32 AM
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My favorites are the ones I have ridden. What would be the basis for judging the others? Word of mouth?
I put lime in my beer because I've seen others do it. Therefore it must be the right thing to do.
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04-29-16, 08:40 AM
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Tommasini was in a class of their own for consistent high quality frameset manufacturing.
Never had to put a frame on the flat table or fork in the jig for alignment.
BB was always faced w/ threads chased, head & fork properly faced/milled.
Chrome and paint both durable and very attractive.
Tommasini framesets performed like they looked: Beautiful
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Never had to put a frame on the flat table or fork in the jig for alignment.
BB was always faced w/ threads chased, head & fork properly faced/milled.
Chrome and paint both durable and very attractive.
Tommasini framesets performed like they looked: Beautiful
-Bandera
