Miyata Heirarchy
#26
Don't call me sir
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Charlottesville, VA
Bikes: 1954 Holdsworth 3 speed, 1969 Bob Jackson, 1988 Miyata Twelve Hundred (retired), 1989 Schwinn Paramount, 2004 Santa Cruz Blur Classic, 2012 Specialized P3, 2013 Specialized Roubaix Expert Disc
#28
2 options:
1. Stretch the Miyata frame to 135mm which will require re-alignment of the dropouts or:
2. Respace the hub (if possible) down to a more compatible width. Surly hubs have replaceable threaded axles and they appear to have commom hub shells so you may be able to take a spacers to bring it down to Surly's 130mm size to minimize stretch on the Miyata frame
1. Stretch the Miyata frame to 135mm which will require re-alignment of the dropouts or:
2. Respace the hub (if possible) down to a more compatible width. Surly hubs have replaceable threaded axles and they appear to have commom hub shells so you may be able to take a spacers to bring it down to Surly's 130mm size to minimize stretch on the Miyata frame
Last edited by miamijim; 11-03-07 at 06:01 AM.
#29
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2007
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i know i should measure the frame first before i buy a hub i was just looking at stuff on line and came across the surly hub i think they do have a smaller one or atleast i can find one if anyone could suggest a good but cheap hub for ss that would be great thanks for the tips
#31
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2007
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Another Miyata in need of a date. I think it is a Miyata 610. Light Blue paint, black Avocet seat, S/N J438366.
Cro-Moly frame, Suntour derailleurs, everything is original except the seat and the former front wheel that were destroyed in an accident in the mid-eighties.
Cro-Moly frame, Suntour derailleurs, everything is original except the seat and the former front wheel that were destroyed in an accident in the mid-eighties.
#32
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I would also love suggestions on what wheels to put on it. The bike has a lot of miles on it from Triathlons and tours when I was younger. I love the bike and want to use it as a commuter, but the original front wheel was turned into a pretzel and the spokes on the rear are past redemption
My commute is 15 miles over the Golden Gate Bridge.
Also, the original Suntour Rear Derailleur is likely past its prime. I am going to look for parts, but can anyone recommend a replacement?
Thanks!
My commute is 15 miles over the Golden Gate Bridge.
Also, the original Suntour Rear Derailleur is likely past its prime. I am going to look for parts, but can anyone recommend a replacement?
Thanks!
#33
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 541
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From: Philadelphia
Bikes: Formerly...1978 Proteus, 1981 Miyata 912, 1983 Schwinn Paramount, 1962 Raleigh Sports Deluxe, 1976 Alan Super Record.
I think a J prefix means a 1981 bike.
#34
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 119
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From: Newton, MA
Bikes: Seven Cycles ID8 & steel Axiom; Bridgestones: MB-1, RB-T, XO-1, '85 Orange Gran Velo; electrics: Bionx, Swytch, Eflow Nitro; Merlin early MB; Raleigh Twenty & a lot of comings and goings
T-Mar, If you have a Miyata database maybe you can tell me more about my wife's mixte. It is triple butted Miyata chromolly but there was no model number when I got it. I believe it is early to mid 80's. The serial number is PU38615.
This is it: https://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/4...0AYsWLNi4bN2NA
Ron
This is it: https://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/4...0AYsWLNi4bN2NA
Ron
#38
King of the molehills
Joined: May 2006
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From: Detroit 'burbs, east side.
Bikes: '04 Giant OCR2, DIY light tourer built on on Scattante cross frame, '87 Schwinn World Sport F/G conversion, '85 Schwinn Super Le Tour
Just got a Miyata Ninety (spelled out that way in script on top tube) for $10. Serial M251455. Entry level, Shimano Skylark rear derailler, 5 spd freewheel, steel rims, alloy cranks & rings. "Made in Japan" sticker, "Mangalight" manganese steel. Tange chrome fork, rusty but managed to clean it fairly well. Suffering from dire neglect; lots of rust but might clean up well for repainting.
Also surprised at how light the frame is! Tubing seems to have pretty thin walls. The fork seems nearly as heavy as the frame.
Components are mostly trashed; deraillers seized. Might sell frame only, or build it up for my teenage niece if she is serious about joining her uncle on a century this summer.
Also surprised at how light the frame is! Tubing seems to have pretty thin walls. The fork seems nearly as heavy as the frame.
Components are mostly trashed; deraillers seized. Might sell frame only, or build it up for my teenage niece if she is serious about joining her uncle on a century this summer.
#40
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 854
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From: Minneapolis, MN
Bikes: Surly CrossCheck, Miyata 310 (conversion)
On another note:
Have any of you come across 310's with Shimano Golden Arrow components?
Mine came fitted with golden arrow, RD, FD and Shifters, or was done after market, but have no clue or info.
#41
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Joined: Nov 2007
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From: San Diego, CA
Bikes: 19 Look 765 Gravel RS, 18 Cervelo C5, 13 Niner Jet9 RDO, 08 Surly Crosscheck, 05 Serotta Fierte
For those interested in Miyata's...go to Miyatacatalogs.com
Wonderful site with catalogs from 1984 (I think) to 1994 posted. Something like that anyway - I'm too lazy to check. Enjoy!
Wonderful site with catalogs from 1984 (I think) to 1994 posted. Something like that anyway - I'm too lazy to check. Enjoy!
#42
Squirrel
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Winfield, KS
Bikes: Borthwick Touring bike, 83 Schwinn Peloton, 94 Scott Cheyenne, ?? Bianchi Torino
I don't have a serial number on the BB of my miyata ninety. I can't see it anywhere else, either, although it's fresh from the seller and literally has mud caked on it.
Any other places I might look?
It says chromoly on it, but the fork and stays sound like hi tens when I tap them. The chromoly tubes sound butted to me, but I'm no expert. they "ting" differently on the ends.
Any other places I might look?
It says chromoly on it, but the fork and stays sound like hi tens when I tap them. The chromoly tubes sound butted to me, but I'm no expert. they "ting" differently on the ends.
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#43
Senior Member

Joined: Nov 2005
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From: NW Ohio
Bikes: 1984 Miyata 310, 1986 Schwinn Sierra, 1987 Ross Mt. Hood, 1988 Schwinn LeTour, 1988 Trek 400T, 1981 Fuji S12-1977 Univega Grand Rally, S LTD, 1973 Sears Free Spirit 531, 197? FW Evans
I have a Miyata 310 that I purchased new in 1984. It came with the Golden Arrow RD, FD, and shift levers. I don't know about any other years.
#44
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
Thank you.
Over the years I've thought of turning to the Dark Side and going modern. I almost bought a new Fuji last year on closeout, but just couldn't pull the trigger. My Miyata is a bit heavy and slow, but after all this time it would be like selling my child. 'Sides, it flat out flies downhill.....
It just rides so well, I've always been happy with it.
John D.
Over the years I've thought of turning to the Dark Side and going modern. I almost bought a new Fuji last year on closeout, but just couldn't pull the trigger. My Miyata is a bit heavy and slow, but after all this time it would be like selling my child. 'Sides, it flat out flies downhill.....
It just rides so well, I've always been happy with it.
John D.
#46
some basic info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyata
- "Miyata 100/110 : This was the bottom of the range. Chromo main tubes, hi-ten stays, available in both men's and mixte styles.
- Miyata 210 : This was a touring model. 1984 catalogue says the 210 used straight-gauge tubing. Dia-Compe cantilever brakes and Shimano triple drive train. Braze-ons on front and rear dropouts (no low-rider braze-ons in front), cantis front and rear, horizontal rear dropouts, one bottle braze-on, rear rack braze-ons, and flat-top fork crown.
- Miyata 310/312 : This was a mid-range "road racing" model, with Shimano 105 throughout. The 310/312 had a shorter wheelbase than the touring models, but still plenty of clearance for fenders and wider tires. Sometimes it's referred to in newsgroups as a "sport-touring" model--a comfortable rig for day rides and commuting.
- Miyata 512 Competition : This was a higher-end road bike than the 310/312, with more "aggressive" geometry.
- Miyata 610 : This was a quality touring model, one step down from the 1000, with the same frame, but slightly lower level components. Mid 1980's 610's have triple-butted splined Chromoly frame tubing, very unusual quality tubing and construction for this price level. This bike is slightly lighter in weight than Trek 520/720 touring bikes, but of similar quality.
- Miyata 710 : A mid- to high-end road bike. Early models had Suntour parts, including an odd 3-wheel rear derailleur. Probably uses the same frameset as the 910.
- Miyata 912 : Miyata's high-end road bike, with Shimano 600 components.
- Miyata 1000 : This was considered the finest, lightest off-the-peg touring bike of its time, with splined, triple-butted Chromo tubing. Some report the 610 to be stiffer than the 1000--probably a bit better for loaded touring. 1997 model had a mix of Shimano 600 and Deore XT parts (600 DT shifters, XT derailleurs). Miyata 1000 is still considered one of the finest stock touring frames ever.
- Miyata Alumicross : This was the top-of-the-line model of Miyata's "cross" bikes (which included the Quickcross, Sportcross, and Triplecross), introduced in the late 90's. It had standard-size aluminum main tubes bonded to steel lugs and a Chromo fork. Seat and chain stays are steel, with the seat post binder bolt holding the seat stays to the seat post lug."
#47
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i'm looking for a new crankset and was wondering would i have to change my stock bb if i was to get a new one the shops around are selling sets for 80 where online some are less than 60 what do you guys suggest i was looking at this Track Pista single speed bike crankset 48T 170mm Matte
messenger courier winter beater matte light weight 1/8"
messenger courier winter beater matte light weight 1/8"
#48
Newbie
Joined: May 2008
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can anyone help me to identify my miyata...i just picked it up from a friends house and i dont know anything about miyata...ive looked through the whole heirarchy also and cant find it in there....it looks 70's maybe...on the top tube is spelled LIBERTY... i have googled it but the only thing i can find about the liberty is a picture of one from '77 but i dont think it really look like mine...all the other stickers on it have been peeled off long ago....it does have bar end shifters on it....the serial # is E982654....any help would be much appreciated....thanks
#49
Don't call me sir
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 615
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From: Charlottesville, VA
Bikes: 1954 Holdsworth 3 speed, 1969 Bob Jackson, 1988 Miyata Twelve Hundred (retired), 1989 Schwinn Paramount, 2004 Santa Cruz Blur Classic, 2012 Specialized P3, 2013 Specialized Roubaix Expert Disc
Well, since this thread has popped up again i just want to mention another exception to the guidelines stated above. There was a Twelve Hundred model that was only produced for, I believe two years. It was built with triathlons in mind (sticker on chainstay shows a biker, swimmer, and runner). It was constructed of Miyata triple-butted splined steel, frame and fork. It had internal brake-cable routing and came equipped with the also short-lived Shimano Sante group. The group was white and fell in between 600 and Dura Ace in the line-up supposedly.
#50
Newbie
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 3
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From: Austin, TX
Bikes: Miyata Three-Ten, Schwinn Criss Cross
miyata three-ten, schwinn criss cross
Wow I am so impressed with the vast knowledge on this site! It's so exciting to meet other Miyata lovers! I got mine as a trade, plus $25 - I traded a 70's Azuki (10 speed) that was too big and heavy for me for it - my Miyata is the perfect size and weight for me, so it was a perfect swap!! I'll try to attach pics of it and also of my other bike, which is the one I'm really wondering about - the Schwinn has a FUNKY derailleur - is there anybody out there who can give me some details on my Schwinn? THANKS!!!





