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Old 07-27-16, 12:59 PM
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Unknown frame, any clues to what it is?

I recently bought this frame for around 40 $. It was mounted with campagnolo parts, except rear derailleur which was SunTour Cyclone Mk-II. Anyone who can recognize anything?

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Old 07-27-16, 01:15 PM
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And here the serial number which is located on the seat tube. It might say "WEE24514F".

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That is a Danish bicycle identification number. It was imported by a company called Egedeso who marketed under the Everton brand. The date code could represent a number of different years but based on the frame features it should be 1990. It looks like a very basic frame for the period, yet it has what appears to be a number plate boss under the top tube, just behind the head lug.

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Great information as always T-Mar.

The forum had a bit of discussion of the Everton marque and its history in a thread of last year:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ars-1960s.html

Fascinating that a Danish bicycle brand would be named for an English footie side! :^O

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Yes, thank you both. I live in Denmark, so you must be right the company Egedesø still exists and as far as I can tell, they sell Ideal bikes.

But this means it is a Everton bike from 1990 or is it just plausible it is a Everton from 1990?

The handlebars seems to be old ITM handlebars (or Italmanubr):

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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
Great information as always T-Mar. ...
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...But this means it is a Everton bike from 1990 or is it just plausible it is a Everton from 1990?
Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to ask?

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The handlebars seems to be old ITM handlebars (or Italmanubr)...
Yes, ITM is the abbreviation for Italmanubri (i.e ITM = ITalManubri).
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I believe he is asking whether it is certain - or simply a possibility - that the frame is a '90 Everton.
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I think crhisthom is asking about a possible difference between a bike imported/sold by the Everton company and a bicycle sold AS an Everton brand. Since the Everton company seems to have multiple brands.
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But this means it is a Everton bike from 1990 or is it just plausible it is a Everton from 1990?
Yes, exactly!
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Old 07-27-16, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ApolloSoyuz1975 View Post
I believe he is asking whether it is certain - or simply a possibility - that the frame is a '90 Everton.
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I think crhisthom is asking about a possible difference between a bike imported/sold by the Everton company and a bicycle sold AS an Everton brand. Since the Everton company seems to have multiple brands.
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Yes, exactly!
Thank-you, gentlemen. That really clarified the matter!

There is no doubt that the bicycle was imported by the company that owned the Everton name, as that information is coded into the frame number. THE YEAR CODE INDICATES 1969, 1990 OR 2011. Frame features plus contract manufacture are reasonable for 1990. The earlier possibility for the date (1969) seems unreasonable given the short dropouts and shift lever bosses. Had it been 2011, I would have expected TIG welds, vertical dropouts and a unicrown fork.

Most companies have more than one brand, so we can't be certain that it is an Everton but that was the company's prime brand and remains the best candidate, pending further evidence. Of course, the bicycle was built by somebody else and I would expect there to be another serial number in the manufacturer's format, which may provide clues to the actual origin.
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Yes i was simply asking wether it was certain or possible i have been looking for an additional serial number, but cant seem to find it. I looked at another Danish Everton with serial number EExxxxxL, and if there's an additional serial number, it is not on the bb. My frame has to thick layers of paint (as you can see) so it might be hide somewhere.
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More data to add here: I just (as in, on Sunday, good timing!) bought an Everton, from the same era, in Chicago, of all places. Here are some photos.
Blaze orange/red fade paint job, "TOUR DE FRANCE" visible on the downtube, as if decals had been removed or there's paint under the orange. Steel tubing, according to a decal on the seatpost, something like 'Hi tensile 250* steel', where the * indicates a portion of scratched off decal. Any ideas?
Mine also had Suntour in back: a Cyclone 7000 RD.





Google searching this brand is nearly impossible. It's been through several buy-outs, and frames from this era don't appear to have much of an internet footprint. The serial format was most helpful. Mine also starts with W EE, indicating an imported frame for manufacture through Everton. Mine is followed by an M, likely indicating 1996.

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Old 07-28-16, 01:12 AM
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More data to add here: I just (as in, on Sunday, good timing!) bought an Everton, from the same era, in Chicago, of all places. Here are some photos.
Blaze orange/red fade paint job, "TOUR DE FRANCE" visible on the downtube, as if decals had been removed or there's paint under the orange. Steel tubing, according to a decal on the seatpost, something like 'Hi tensile 250* steel', where the * indicates a portion of scratched off decal. Any ideas?
Mine also had Suntour in back: a Cyclone 7000 RD.





Google searching this brand is nearly impossible. It's been through several buy-outs, and frames from this era don't appear to have much of an internet footprint. The serial format was most helpful. Mine also starts with W EE, indicating an imported frame for manufacture through Everton. Mine is followed by an M, likely indicating 1996.
Very helpful info how did a Danish bike end up in Chicago? Mine is also red underneath the green. What kind of brakes and handlebars are mounted on yours?
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Very helpful info how did a Danish bike end up in Chicago? Mine is also red underneath the green. What kind of brakes and handlebars are mounted on yours?
No clue how it ended up here! I bought it used. I will take more photos before my commute tomorrow, including the brakes and handlebars. I know the levers are Shimano, with aero cable routing along a groove in the bars, and the back brake is Shimano. The front brake appears unbranded, but I haven't cleaned and inspected every surface. I wouldn't assume they're original.

Is it red, or sort of a red-orange, with white underneath? It may be hard to tell. The model is also no help, turns out adding "TOUR DE FRANCE" to any search about older bicycles makes it even less helpful.
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...something like 'Hi tensile 250* steel', where the * indicates a portion of scratched off decal. Any ideas?...The serial format was most helpful. Mine also starts with W EE, indicating an imported frame for manufacture through Everton. Mine is followed by an M, likely indicating 1996.
I have no idea what the missing might be be. While the frame has very basic characteristics, I'm really surprised to find hi-tensile for this era. I was expecting a seamed CrMo.

Yes, the M indicates 1996. I knew your frame was slightly newer than the OP's the moment I saw it, due to the Unicrown forks. Does it also have the small boss under the top tube, just behind the head lug?

The bicycle is not completely original. It's hard to say what might be original until we have more information and/or pictures but the Cyclone 7000 is much higher level than you would expect on a hi-tensile frame and dates to 1987-1988.
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I have no idea what the missing might be be. While the frame has very basic characteristics, I'm really surprised to find hi-tensile for this era. I was expecting a seamed CrMo.

Yes, the M indicates 1996. I knew your frame was slightly newer than the OP's the moment I saw it, due to the Unicrown forks. Does it also have the small boss under the top tube, just behind the head lug?

The bicycle is not completely original. It's hard to say what might be original until we have more information and/or pictures but the Cyclone 7000 is much higher level than you would expect on a hi-tensile frame and dates to 1987-1988.
I used to have a carbon Trek 2200 from a similar time, and that fork was CroMo as well. I'm as surprised as you are.






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I contacted Everton today, and they have already confirmed it being from 1990. Unfortunately they didn't have any decals lying around. So I guess that's mystery solved
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I contacted Everton today, and they have already confirmed it being from 1990. Unfortunately they didn't have any decals lying around. So I guess that's mystery solved
Good work! I'm surprised they still have info on it, although perhaps they just looked up the serial. Bummer about the decals, since mine is missing them as well.
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I have no idea what the missing might be be. While the frame has very basic characteristics, I'm really surprised to find hi-tensile for this era. I was expecting a seamed CrMo.

Yes, the M indicates 1996. I knew your frame was slightly newer than the OP's the moment I saw it, due to the Unicrown forks. Does it also have the small boss under the top tube, just behind the head lug?

The bicycle is not completely original. It's hard to say what might be original until we have more information and/or pictures but the Cyclone 7000 is much higher level than you would expect on a hi-tensile frame and dates to 1987-1988.
No boss under my top tube. The head tube/down tube lug does have some characters on it, though. I assume the lug manufacturer's mark.
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I too have a bicycle with frame serial WEE00760F but painted as Ole Ritter , guess it is imported by Everton but label as Ole Ritter. But does anyone knows what is the frame tubing make of? Any idea? Frame are consider lighter in weight as compare to my Ferrari steel lugged Frame and my Raleigh Pursuit steel frame.
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I too have a bicycle with frame serial WEE00760F but painted as Ole Ritter , guess it is imported by Everton but label as Ole Ritter. But does anyone knows what is the frame tubing make of? Any idea? Frame are consider lighter in weight as compare to my Ferrari steel lugged Frame and my Raleigh Pursuit steel frame.
Welcome to the forums. The best indicator of tubing grade is the seat post diameter, which is typically stamped on it, below the indaertion mark. Often, if you remove the fork, there is a manufacturer's name or logo stamped on the steerer tube. Typically, the frame tubing is the same as the fork, though this is not always the case. Your year indicator is the same as the OP's. I don't know when Ritter set up his own brand but in this case it could conceivably be 1969 as Ritter set the Hour record in 1968. Do you have some pictures that you could post on a photo hosting site?
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Welcome to the forums. The best indicator of tubing grade is the seat post diameter, which is typically stamped on it, below the indaertion mark. Often, if you remove the fork, there is a manufacturer's name or logo stamped on the steerer tube. Typically, the frame tubing is the same as the fork, though this is not always the case. Your year indicator is the same as the OP's. I don't know when Ritter set up his own brand but in this case it could conceivably be 1969 as Ritter set the Hour record in 1968. Do you have some pictures that you could post on a photo hosting site?
Hi thanks for the reply I will try to post the photo here, sorry as this is my first time posting and I hope I will get it right to post up the photo. Seat post diameter if I am not wrong is 27.5mm, as I am away from my home therefore may only check the diameter by this week end.
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Hi thanks for the reply I will try to post the photo here, sorry as this is my first time posting and I hope I will get it right to post up the photo. Seat post diameter if I am not wrong is 27.5mm, as I am away from my home therefore may only check the diameter by this week end.
Hope the photos are clear enough to provide enough information in order to know anything of this frame tubing. As far as I remember , there is no stamping on the seat post lower parts probably it may be covered by the paint.
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By the way T-Mar you said that the best indication is from the seat post diameter, do you have the info to all of the tubing diameter? I will like to keep the info for future reference. Thanks
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