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Old 09-14-16 | 01:48 PM
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First chain lubes?

Hello all,
I am doing a research project which, among other things, will discuss the history of bicycle chain lubrication. What were the earliest chain lubes, straight mineral oil? Pork lard? I need sources.
I know 3 in 1 came around in 1894, what was used before then?
Any information is appreciated.

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Kerosine maybe?
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I've heard olive oil will work in a pinch.

But don't use the first press, waste of good stuff...
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Old 09-14-16 | 02:35 PM
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A company called Price's Patent Candle Co. made a product called 'Rangraphine' which was a mixture of Rangoon jelly and graphite, specifically for chains. The earliest reference I can find is from 1902: 1902 Cycle Show (Stanley)


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Thanks! I did a little more digging and found this, which might be useful.
https://books.google.com/books?id=2v...aphine&f=false
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Whale oil????
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Thanks! I did a little more digging and found this, which might be useful.
https://books.google.com/books?id=2v...aphine&f=false
Yep, I found that as well. See pages 478-9. "Sperm oil mixed with a little vasoline to thicken it or plumbago to keep the surfaces from grinding. Rangoon jelly mixed with graphite (Price's 'Rangraphine') also gives good results..."

Note in 1886, J. Harrison Carter patented an "Oil-Tight Chain Lubricator and Gear Cover" which he subsequently licensed to companies such as Sunbeam. See:
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Why is there a planetary gearbox between the crank and chain ring?
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Rangoon jelly
Plumbago
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The use of whale oil as a bicycle lube is a complete falsehood, which was generated by a misinterpretation of period newspaper illustrations. The truth is that whales were actually early adopters of the newly introduced bicycle technology during the 1800s.

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I have a couple of old vials of whale oil for watches.
Never ocurred to me to lube my chain with it.
It's viscosity is too light, I think.
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Maybe that's why the book says to mix it with petroleum jelly.
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Vintage Cyclist, I just flipped through that 1900 catalog a little. Thanks for sharing it.
The "Jointed Attachment for Cranks" on page 35 looks particularly interesting, does anyone know what it is?
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One of the old formularies described Rangoon Jelly as a combination of Rangoon Oil (petroleum oil, aka Burma Oil) and paraffin.

Sounds similar to the hot mixture applied to some new bicycle chains now during manufacturing. (Naturally, when I need it I can't find the link to the YouTube video that demonstrated the process.)
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I have a couple of old vials of whale oil for watches.
Never ocurred to me to lube my chain with it.
It's viscosity is too light, I think.
Just the thing for Zeiss-Ikon Contax shutters, though....

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Originally Posted by Seizedpost
Vintage Cyclist, I just flipped through that 1900 catalog a little. Thanks for sharing it.
The "Jointed Attachment for Cranks" on page 35 looks particularly interesting, does anyone know what it is?
It's a pedal adapter to convert a standard pedal into a swing pedal, as seen on the previous page.
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