Identify Frame
10-03-16 | 04:03 AM
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Identify Frame
Hi Guys , can you help me to identify this frame?
I know nothing becouse when i took it it was without any sticker , i only know the original components and the dropouts brand "gipiemme".
Here the photos.
1 https://s32.postimg.org/iprh45aqc/20141213_145657.jpg
2 https://s14.postimg.org/ej6mio40x/20160510_175355.jpg
3 https://s11.postimg.org/mbtu9te83/IMG_4042.jpg
Original parts:
Wheels: Ambrosio
Brake: Balilla
Stem: Ital Manubri
Crankset: Brand is called Omega but i don't know the model
Handlebar: Ital Manubri
Groupset: Huret
Thanks everyone for the help.
I know nothing becouse when i took it it was without any sticker , i only know the original components and the dropouts brand "gipiemme".
Here the photos.
1 https://s32.postimg.org/iprh45aqc/20141213_145657.jpg
2 https://s14.postimg.org/ej6mio40x/20160510_175355.jpg
3 https://s11.postimg.org/mbtu9te83/IMG_4042.jpg
Original parts:
Wheels: Ambrosio
Brake: Balilla
Stem: Ital Manubri
Crankset: Brand is called Omega but i don't know the model
Handlebar: Ital Manubri
Groupset: Huret
Thanks everyone for the help.
10-03-16 | 05:53 AM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Omega, or Ofmega, which is an amalgamation of the old Ambrosio, Magistroni, etc.?
I presume it has an Italian-threaded BB, and given your location, it probably is Italian.
The thick seat tube walls indicate plain gauge carbon steel, for an entry-level frame of about Peugeot AO-8/UO-8/UE-8 quality. Since it's Italian and looks to have a well-designed frame geometry, I'll bet it rides and handles better than most bikes in its class. (We sold a few bottom-of-the-line Atala bikes when I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, and the Atalas were a pleasure to ride, compared to the same-priced Nishiki and Peugeot models.)
I presume it has an Italian-threaded BB, and given your location, it probably is Italian.
The thick seat tube walls indicate plain gauge carbon steel, for an entry-level frame of about Peugeot AO-8/UO-8/UE-8 quality. Since it's Italian and looks to have a well-designed frame geometry, I'll bet it rides and handles better than most bikes in its class. (We sold a few bottom-of-the-line Atala bikes when I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, and the Atalas were a pleasure to ride, compared to the same-priced Nishiki and Peugeot models.)
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-03-16 | 06:23 AM
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The octagonal fixed cup suggests shell may be threaded swiss.
When frame in bare metal were any markings found, such as on steerer or shell?
When frame in bare metal were any markings found, such as on steerer or shell?
Last edited by juvela; 10-03-16 at 06:55 AM. Reason: addition
10-03-16 | 06:42 AM
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Omega, or Ofmega, which is an amalgamation of the old Ambrosio, Magistroni, etc.?
I presume it has an Italian-threaded BB, and given your location, it probably is Italian.
The thick seat tube walls indicate plain gauge carbon steel, for an entry-level frame of about Peugeot AO-8/UO-8/UE-8 quality. Since it's Italian and looks to have a well-designed frame geometry, I'll bet it rides and handles better than most bikes in its class. (We sold a few bottom-of-the-line Atala bikes when I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, and the Atalas were a pleasure to ride, compared to the same-priced Nishiki and Peugeot models.)
I presume it has an Italian-threaded BB, and given your location, it probably is Italian.
The thick seat tube walls indicate plain gauge carbon steel, for an entry-level frame of about Peugeot AO-8/UO-8/UE-8 quality. Since it's Italian and looks to have a well-designed frame geometry, I'll bet it rides and handles better than most bikes in its class. (We sold a few bottom-of-the-line Atala bikes when I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, and the Atalas were a pleasure to ride, compared to the same-priced Nishiki and Peugeot models.)
I made a little research and the crankset is not omega , the brand is rizzato.
This is where i found it : vintage guarnitura crankset Rizzato 170 52 42 corsa road eroica | eBay
This is my crank : https://s14.postimg.org/mjrl62qmp/IMG_4045.jpg (ofc i removed the small chainring)
Wheels are not the same , damn memory trick me!
this is one wheel and i don't know what brand is this https://s14.postimg.org/6yeuzv429/IMG_4055.jpg
And this is the other one
https://s14.postimg.org/7k3tvyz4h/IMG_4052.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/3wo2pwqxd/IMG_4049.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/j7xvqio9d/IMG_4051.jpg
Seems that ambrosio are still on the market as cheap wheels.
Here others details:
https://s14.postimg.org/z0y8t8lsh/IMG_4047.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/6zk7fjgi9/IMG_4046.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/q77cc4ytt/IMG_4048.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/b2kf63pe9/IMG_4061.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/hza04vwb5/IMG_4056.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/7hojmvkup/IMG_4060.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/tscemui4x/IMG_4059.jpg
(ignore the stickers and other little details , i done from myself becouse i hate to see a frame almost naked
)edit: is possible to be the same as this? https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...tala-find.html
10-03-16 | 06:59 AM
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Hello CrowSeph,
Rizzato is Cesare Rizzato, the company which produced Atala, Lygie and Atlantica brand cycles. They are not a manufacturer of chainsets. A Rizzato marked chainset would have been manufactured by someone else. Your chainset appears to have been manufactured by Agrati.
The bicycle's headset looks to OFMEGA brand.
Fine research locating that Atala thread. Looks like you have an identification.
Rizzato is Cesare Rizzato, the company which produced Atala, Lygie and Atlantica brand cycles. They are not a manufacturer of chainsets. A Rizzato marked chainset would have been manufactured by someone else. Your chainset appears to have been manufactured by Agrati.
The bicycle's headset looks to OFMEGA brand.
Fine research locating that Atala thread. Looks like you have an identification.
Last edited by juvela; 10-03-16 at 07:04 AM. Reason: addition
10-03-16 | 08:36 AM
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I'm wondering if it might be be something slightly newer and more upscale? The presence of reinforcing tangs on the fork blades and brake bridge were typically reserved for higher end models. The smaller seat tube diameter may be the result of a distorted tube. I'm also not aware of Gipiemme offering short dropouts prior to the very late 1970s.
10-03-16 | 09:04 AM
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^true but I can't judge if those are actually the short GPMs or long(er) models from the pictures and can't zoom in close to enlarge that detail. Given the nutted brakes and other frame details I'd tend to think the DOs are from the earlier-than-late '70s gen and vote that this frame may be just on that cusp.
What size is the seatpost: 26.what? Can you get it sized at a shop with a "taper gauge" rather than vernier caliper?
What size is the seatpost: 26.what? Can you get it sized at a shop with a "taper gauge" rather than vernier caliper?
Last edited by unworthy1; 10-03-16 at 04:14 PM.
10-03-16 | 11:18 AM
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Perhaps the serial format and placement might be of help. Up through at least 1974 Rizzato was placing the serial on the right side of the seat tube, just below the seat lug. The first two characters indicated the year of manufacture. That area on this frame appears to be unmarked in poster's photo.
We as yet have no word as to serial placement or format.
We as yet have no word as to serial placement or format.
Last edited by juvela; 10-03-16 at 11:18 AM. Reason: spellin'
