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Old 01-10-17 | 01:15 AM
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To the OP, I understand the dilemma. Lovely thin standard steel tubing and detailed lugs and...a monster-armed crankset. All sorts of dis-proportion.
I think this is exactly the issue. Modern cranks are designed to go on modern bikes, and I think a lot of them look good there. They just don't work with vintage steel.

I've got a 6503 crank on one of my bikes and it isn't hideous, but I think it was the last Shimano crankset that would have worked. What bothers me is that the chainrings aren't even silver on "silver" Shimano cranks these days. Who thought that was a good idea?

I like the silver Athena and Veloce cranks, even if you do need a gear puller to get them off.
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Those strong lights look nice. I hate the look of most modern cranks. I like silver and classy and simple. Those wide weird looking arms?! I have a specialties ta vintage crank that has yet to get onto a bicycle properly. It has 160mm arms which for me is awesome but they have a made for children vibe...but then that is my problem trying to find decent 160mm cranks.
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Old 01-10-17 | 01:28 AM
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I like some of the sugino cranks, the silver 'cheaper' campy... A bicycle in the family had the velo orange ta copy cranks and they were awful.
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Old 01-10-17 | 01:31 AM
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And the wider and more closed off the cranksets get, the more tempted somebody is gonna be to introduce our favorite material ..... plastic. Somehow some way you know it's coming
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Old 01-10-17 | 06:59 AM
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Yeah I've been blown away with how light BBs are these says. I have a Dura Ace Octalink style BB that is truly feather-light. And I momentarily picked up a Deore BB recently at the LBS just to gauge the weight, and could not believe how light it was. Way lighter than the Ti square tapers of yore..

Seems like manufacturers are using alloy everywhere.
Beware of the DA 7700 Octalink BB. it is the Devil in disguise. Absolutely the worst component in that group set.
The Ultegra one is the way to go.
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:03 AM
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I had a set - properly installed, torqued, greased, the whole thing. Was on dry weather only bike. After about thousand easy kms I decided to put it on another bike - had to grind them off. Very anecdotal and YMMV but be aware, take them off once in a while and re-grease, re-torque. Never had problems with their mtb cranks and I have several, no abuse spared on them.
Grind what off??
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:35 AM
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Grind what off??
Stuck crank arm :-)
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:41 AM
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Since there are some companies making 86BCD chainrings, Thorn being one of them, all of those Stronglights and SRs come back into play. Some of the other Japanese cranks in the 80s also came in 130/86 BCD patterns. Those will go down to a 28T small ring. Plenty of them on the bay. A lot of the Sugino and SR 110 doubles also came with 74 holes drilled as well.

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Old 01-10-17 | 07:41 AM
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Modern SRAM road cranks have nice lines and use 5-bolt rings, they're non-ugly except for some of the screen printed designs and huge typeface names... fortunately though there's a solution for that: just remove the logos and make the cranks shiny enough to suit your preferences.

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Did you polish it yourself? That looks great. Are they GXP only or do they come with 24mm axle for Hollowtech?
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:45 AM
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Stuck crank arm :-)
Mine was kind of tight coming off but I just used the heat gun method to make it easier. I do the same thing on my BB30 cranks. I'm glad the spindle is tight, that tells me they aren't going to creak from there. No home mechanic should be without a heat gun.
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass
Mine was kind of tight coming off but I just used the heat gun method to make it easier. I do the same thing on my BB30 cranks. I'm glad the spindle is tight, that tells me they aren't going to creak from there. No home mechanic should be without a heat gun.
Agree, heat gun came to the rescue many time. Did not help me with that crank though, it was the only crank I had to cut out. It was a long time ago and I think it was mostly user error on my part, likely missed something. But I heard other people had difficulties removing them as well
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Old 01-10-17 | 07:54 AM
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Agree, heat gun came to the rescue many time. Did not help me with that crank though, it was the only crank I had to cut out. It was a long time ago and I think it was mostly user error on my part, likely missed something. But I heard other people had difficulties removing them as well
Odd, I've never heard of that. I've never even seen a discussion about those cranks before.
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Old 01-10-17 | 08:02 AM
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[MENTION=152773]noglider[/MENTION] I don't think you're being snobbish at all, just realistic. I've seen this trend in cranksets too. The aesthetics of the Pashley Countryman, an otherwise lovely bike, is spoiled by the clunky looking crankset. It is so easy to avoid the bony finger of indignation and charges of pretension by prefacing statements like that with qualifiers like IMO, YMMV blah blah. I suppose my advancing age has taught me that a person that is correct about something is in no way superior to someone who is incorrect and apologies for opinions are unnecessary.
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Old 01-10-17 | 08:05 AM
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[MENTION=152773]noglider[/MENTION], forgive me for nitpicking, but you should have started out with a working definition of the word "modern."

Not knowing what you meant, I offer a few criteria that make a crank "modern":

1. Large diameter, light weight BB spindle;
2. External BB cups;
3. Ramped and pinned chain rings.
4. Hollow crank arms.

External BB's are not a new invention, but we're not paired with lightweight spindles until recently. Having reappeared after being out of fashion for 90 years or so, we can call them modern. Likewise, hollow crank arms have been around too; but they've now caught on in a way they never did before.

Square tapers are very nice, but they've been around for 80 years, and seem "modern" only in comparison to cotters and ashtabula cranks. Sorry, but square taper cranks, as much as I love them, are old school.
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Old 01-10-17 | 09:21 AM
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I simply assumed it meant in-production

But he's asking for classic-look currently in-production cranks. (2016 Grand Bois Type V)


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Old 01-10-17 | 09:31 AM
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"Modern" could also denote "11-speed compatible," although in this case, I don't think that is what the OP has in mind.

It could also mean (as mentioned) "non-square-taper."

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Old 01-10-17 | 09:58 AM
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I've also assumed modern to mean in production. Otherwise 'modern' becomes a pretty nebulous term.

What I would like to see is a cro mo steel hollow crank. IMO aluminum is the wrong material for the job. It's simply too bulky to make hollow in a component where narrow profile matters. Admittedly the Shimano (et al) designers have done a great job working around this. Still, hollow steel would or could be lighter, stiffer, more aerodynamic, and better looking.

Bullseye more or less invented the hollow two piece crank, so they deserve a mention. It would be nice to see an updated version of these for road, with improved design aesthetics. I guess the originals look cool, er baddass, if you are a 13 year old BMX enthusiast, but I've moved past that...




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Originally Posted by Heatherbikes
I like some of the sugino cranks, the silver 'cheaper' campy... A bicycle in the family had the velo orange ta copy cranks and they were awful.
Supposedly the newer Mk II version of Velo Orange's TA copy cranks* has fixed problems with the mk I version. I don't have either. I considered them for my touring bike but the cost, questions of quality/design problems, and unsuitable (for me) chainring sizes put me off.

*actually they are Stronglight 49 copies
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[MENTION=398265]BigChief[/MENTION], maybe snobbish isn't the word I'm looking for. Maybe it's hard to please.

[MENTION=73614]rhm[/MENTION], great points. I was really thinking about current or recent production, nothing about the design. But your list of attributes of modern cranks points out how newer cranks are better than old ways because of those attributes. Now that I realize this, I wonder if I'll become more tolerant of how newer cranks look. I didn't even know the arms are hollow. That explains why they're so chunky.
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Originally Posted by bulldog1935
I simply assumed it meant in-production

But he's asking for classic-look currently in-production cranks. (2016 Grand Bois Type V)

Very elegant. Suits the bike perfectly.
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Old 01-10-17 | 11:38 AM
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Did you polish it yourself? That looks great. Are they GXP only or do they come with 24mm axle for Hollowtech?
Nope, I've stripped and polished plenty of crank arms, but that particular picture is just an example taken from the internet.

Also, GXP uses a 24mm axle, the difference vs Hollowtech is that they taper to 22mm on the non drive side. You can use GXP cranks with a Hollowtech BB if you get a shim that fits inside the NDS bearing.
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Originally Posted by lasauge
Nope, I've stripped and polished plenty of crank arms, but that particular picture is just an example taken from the internet.

Also, GXP uses a 24mm axle, the difference vs Hollowtech is that they taper to 22mm on the non drive side. You can use GXP cranks with a Hollowtech BB if you get a shim that fits inside the NDS bearing.
Learned something new! I did not know I can use the shim, thank you
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[MENTION=398265]BigChief[/MENTION], maybe snobbish isn't the word I'm looking for. Maybe it's hard to please.

[MENTION=73614]rhm[/MENTION], great points. I was really thinking about current or recent production, nothing about the design. But your list of attributes of modern cranks points out how newer cranks are better than old ways because of those attributes. Now that I realize this, I wonder if I'll become more tolerant of how newer cranks look. I didn't even know the arms are hollow. That explains why they're so chunky.
Yes, but some of them are still ugly. Someone mentioned silver 105 5800 - I have it and I don't like the looks one bit. Some modern cranks are pretty good looking, Praxis comes to mind but they only come in black. I still don't understand this whole bloated thing:




Praxis - pretty good looking, just need some polish


I do like Tune, comes in variety of color combos but pretty up there $$$
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yeah, I like the last one because of all the air

air in a classic crank screams speed - that's what made 141 bcd Strada cranks so beautiful.
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