I'm new to the forum, but I've been reading for a while. I just got a Clio sport 600. I was wondering if this is a rebranded centurion ironman. Looks to be 86/87. I can't find anything on this model Clio, but it looks identical to the centurion? Anybody know anything?

Cilo or Clio? You used both spellings. I've heard of Cilo but you might have something new. Cilo is supposed to be a Swiss brand, so would likely look somewhat different from a Centurion. Can you post photos?

Pics?

Typo. I meant Cilo. I read they're a Swiss brand, but couldn't find anything on this model. It's built with tange #1 tubes. I'll get some pics up tomorrow.
Thanks

Nope. But most excellent user-name choice. Welcome.

I haven't seen this particular model. Given the Tange tubing and era, it's possible that both were built by the same Japanese contractor, though unlikely based on the Cilo I've seen from this era. Regardless, it will be easy enough to tell from the serial number, as the formats of the Centurion contractors are well documented.

Still working on pictures, but serial# y7d4104.

The serial number format is consistent with Yamaguchi, a Japanese manufacturer who contract manufactured many brands including, but not limited to, Lotus, Norco, Sakai, Sekai, Shogun and Steve Bauer. The format has been seen on Centurion models but only twice in the 500+ samples I've recorded in my database. So, Yamaguchi does not appear to have been one of the regular sources employed by WSI for their Centurion models. FYI, the serial number indicates manufacture weeks 7-8 of 1987.

Ok thanks. I've been looking at the old iron man bikes centurion made, and they sure do look identical. And not just the frames, I mean from soup to nuts. I can't post my pictures until I've got 10 posts.

The Yamaguchi manufactured Centurion in my database were entry level models. The Ironmen were made by two other manufacturers. However, the frames were all made from standard, off the shelf tubing and fittings. There was nothing proprietary, so they were easily cloned.

To get around the 10 post criteria, you can deposit the pictures in a photograph hosting site and link to it.

Let me give this a try

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Arggggggg. Having some troubles. I've read every thread on posting pictures, downloaded the TinyPic app & been trying for an hour. Just can't get it to work. I am trying from an iPhone.

nice bike! if it is an ironman, then its a copy of the Expert frame after 1986 but with the earlier sloped crown fork found on 86/87 masters.

but it looks from that one pic to have longer tapers to the lugs than an IM.

its not a master frameset as they have even shorter lugs, an inset seatpost bolt, and a point at the front of the seat lug (toward your junk). Expert has the longer lugs, no point, and external bolt.

edit: (seat stay cap is also "flat" where the master curves a bit)

How did you do that? Here's some more

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there is a little yellow mountain gif



above the text box where you type. you can click on that and copy your urls into that. just make sure you include the http

https://a64.tinypic.com/hwcnes.jpg

like that,

from that one pic id say its not: brake bridge is curved up and bolt hole is less recessed on a IM frame. your brake bridge looks flat.

lugs look similar but are not quite the same. cable guides are different.

Ok. I see what you're talking about. Thanks for taking a look at it. I have been riding to work on a flat bar Fuji. I got the itch to try a proper road bike, and a buddy of mine gave this to me. I couldn't be happier. I spent a day cleaning and lubing it. I put some cheapo pedals on and took it for a ride last night. Couldn't believe how much faster it is. The down tube shifters are going to take some practice though. Tires are also a little crusty, I'll probably replace them. Thanks again

There are some real ironman nerds on this forum so we have documented and noticed far more details than are probably necessary. the truth is, your frame looks like a nicely built tange 1 frame from around 1986 with shimano 600, which is exactly what a centurion ironman is. the geometry may be different, or it may be exactly the same.. and if so, it will probably ride just like one.

in some ways its much cooler as IM sold so well that they are all over the place. your bike is much rarer :_)

You can take any one of those links and put the tags for a photo before and after, like this (make sure you have the https:// before the actual link info or it won't work): [img]xxxxxxxxxxx[/img]

Doing that with the first one in the list above gives us this:

Ok. Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try.

Well it's sideways. But it's something. Thanks. This place really is a great resource.

Wrong lug set and brake bridge for a 1987 Centurion Ironman.

It's not an Ironman, it's a Cilo. I believe the BB on the Cilo was Italian, not sure, but everthing else was pretty standard. Nice frames, ride well from what the owners tell me. I restored a red one with white decals, still a favorite of the owner. He says it's the smoothest bike he has.

There were many color schemes, and I've seen them with Tange 1 and SLX, pretty much the same geometry, with solid red, solid white, and a fade model. The fade model I've seen has Tange 1 like that and was all tricolor 600. The SLX model was 2x6 DA 7400 indexed. Both were excellent bikes and if in my size, would have provoked thoughts of theft.

I think Jetboy's right on. The Cilo I built was an '86, had the older shifter bosses, with DA 2x6 front to rear, and was SLX. I don't think the Tange model missed a step at all, simply ran Shimano 600. Very likely the fade model I saw with all tricolor was an '88.