Someone recognizes please?
 

Concorde probably not ...??? Thanks

Concorde probably NOT, yes I'd agree (BUT the brand DID get applied to some rather strange offerings just for the Benelux market that never were exported to the US, etc. including some lower-level Asian-sourced frames).
I sure do not recognize these lugs but they are unique so somebody might, and the NDS DO looks like it may have been "modified" (ground down a bit).
My gut reaction is that it's some mid-grade...could be Asian or Euro...I'll be watching this to learn.

I'm sure that I'm here somewhere in the forum already this seat lugs saw ...
In the long thread "Identify frame", but I can not find it.

Maybe an independent entity licensed the Concorde brand for the Czech market back in the 80s and imported whatever they could get their hands on for the right price?

No one recognizes?
 

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The lug is definitely interesting, and the brazing appears to be competent, but the lack of thinning the lug tips makes me think that this is an entry level offering. It might be more fun to let it remain a mystery.

Ah-HA! Thanks to another thread (show us your interesting frame details) I think this one is a Capo (Austrian) but still has some apparently unique features such as that seatlug. [MENTION=531]John E[/MENTION] will have more to say as he's quite familiar with this brand!

Yup -- go to the head of the class. The serial number (side of seat tube, just below the lug) would be helpful, as well. See closeups of my two Capo frames, plus a third, in the interesting frame details thread.

Wow, thanks unworthy1!

Hi John.

I read all the threads "capo" here in the forum and something from Google and I put also some better photos on flickr:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskWEd7UC



The frame is currently only offered ...
So, some details like keeping the brake cable on the top tube (3 cable lugs) and type rear brake bridge I've never seen on capo bikes. At least forks should be original (see. Photo details). Indications of serial numbers are there, but illegible.

I'm not sure, but it's a special detail on the seat tube? (see. Last photo)

This may be the original frame, or after a certain "home modifications"?

It's worth it to buy?

many thanks MM.

My main experience with Capo bicycles is circa 1960. Otto and company may have subsequently switched to above-top-tube brake cable loops, or, as you mention, those might have been a custom modification. The seat post clamp is also not typical of 1960, but may be a ca. 1965 design change, since the original was kind of clunky, albeit distinctive. I have seen several Capos with the original seat post clamp replaced by a more conventional strap. The lugwork, dropouts, and placement of the serial number definitely shout "Capo."

Ok, maybe I can negotiate a reasonable price and look at the serial number ...

Hello, I asked the seller about the serial number of the frame. He sent this photograph follow. Not much, but if I can see 0 20739? Which it somehow does not fit with the original markings capo years 60s ...

True -- ca. 1960 Capo frames had 5-digit serial numbers starting with a 4 (see my signature). Production run rate, according to Harald Cap, Otto's son and one of my contemporaries, was about 5K units/year.

This leads to another sheer speculation on my part -- I wonder if Otto Cap ever built frames under relabel contract to other companies. All of us have seen numerous examples of similar cross-labeling of marques among other framebuilders.

Given the top tube loops and the change in seat tube clamp, I also wonder whether this is simply a late 1960s, even 1970 (hence, the leading 0 in the S/N) model. (Otto Cap would have been running out of 5-digit serial numbers by then, and the new decade would have been a logical time to switch to a new numbering system.) The head lugs and the trim pieces on the seat stay caps, the fork crown, the rear dropouts, and the placement of the serial number shout "Capo."

I have a similar view ... But I can not find any similar model of Capo years (as you say) late 60s. Interesting models ending in 1960. I found the "RS Sport" 1964 http://oldroads.com where see also your model "1960 Campagnolo Capo" - tried to contact the owner, no answer.
No idea what components choose for the frame, what paint and color?. I have the opportunity to buy this Capo for less than 20 euros. Take it or not?

BUY it! 20 euros is a no-brainer STEAL...:)

Ok..

Agreed, particularly if it takes a 27.2mm seat post. :)


Long shot -- is there any evidence of filled-in rivet holes on the seat tube (Capo Sieger Rathausmann badge) or the head tube (Capo or other head badge)?

Hi, I found this model Puch mistral EL "1961" ('81)?. The components appear to be original. It is an interesting model in some way? I think you are interested in Austrian bikes. Thanks

More like '81 than '61, I would think. Not a bad bike, though.

1961 according to the owner's ...

Puch has sometimes nice frames, I've seen the 531 mark on several. I once had a 1960s Puck, old type 26" wheels, lugged steel frame, drum brake Sturmey AB hub, very typical bike for it's time. The frame and lugs were similar to your racer. Regarding the racer: gears, drives or crank sets often get repalced as the years go by, might have happened to this bike.

Check the date code on the back of the brake calipers. I'm sure they are about twenty years younger. Same for the cranks.

You're right. This is the catalog from the 1981

I like it. It should clean up nicely, and should provide a nice ride as well. Looking forward to the 'after' pics. :)