Someone recognizes please?
03-16-17 | 12:00 PM
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Concorde probably NOT, yes I'd agree (BUT the brand DID get applied to some rather strange offerings just for the Benelux market that never were exported to the US, etc. including some lower-level Asian-sourced frames).
I sure do not recognize these lugs but they are unique so somebody might, and the NDS DO looks like it may have been "modified" (ground down a bit).
My gut reaction is that it's some mid-grade...could be Asian or Euro...I'll be watching this to learn.
I sure do not recognize these lugs but they are unique so somebody might, and the NDS DO looks like it may have been "modified" (ground down a bit).
My gut reaction is that it's some mid-grade...could be Asian or Euro...I'll be watching this to learn.
03-16-17 | 04:33 PM
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Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.
Maybe an independent entity licensed the Concorde brand for the Czech market back in the 80s and imported whatever they could get their hands on for the right price?
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03-19-17 | 07:53 AM
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The lug is definitely interesting, and the brazing appears to be competent, but the lack of thinning the lug tips makes me think that this is an entry level offering. It might be more fun to let it remain a mystery.
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03-26-17 | 01:04 PM
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Ah-HA! Thanks to another thread (show us your interesting frame details) I think this one is a Capo (Austrian) but still has some apparently unique features such as that seatlug. [MENTION=531]John E[/MENTION] will have more to say as he's quite familiar with this brand!
03-26-17 | 02:49 PM
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Ah-HA! Thanks to another thread (show us your interesting frame details) I think this one is a Capo (Austrian) but still has some apparently unique features such as that seatlug. [MENTION=531]John E[/MENTION] will have more to say as he's quite familiar with this brand!
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
03-26-17 | 03:11 PM
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Ah-HA! Thanks to another thread (show us your interesting frame details) I think this one is a Capo (Austrian) but still has some apparently unique features such as that seatlug. [MENTION=531]John E[/MENTION] will have more to say as he's quite familiar with this brand!
03-26-17 | 05:17 PM
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I read all the threads "capo" here in the forum and something from Google and I put also some better photos on flickr:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskWEd7UC
The frame is currently only offered ...
So, some details like keeping the brake cable on the top tube (3 cable lugs) and type rear brake bridge I've never seen on capo bikes. At least forks should be original (see. Photo details). Indications of serial numbers are there, but illegible.
I'm not sure, but it's a special detail on the seat tube? (see. Last photo)
This may be the original frame, or after a certain "home modifications"?
It's worth it to buy?
many thanks MM.
03-26-17 | 08:02 PM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
My main experience with Capo bicycles is circa 1960. Otto and company may have subsequently switched to above-top-tube brake cable loops, or, as you mention, those might have been a custom modification. The seat post clamp is also not typical of 1960, but may be a ca. 1965 design change, since the original was kind of clunky, albeit distinctive. I have seen several Capos with the original seat post clamp replaced by a more conventional strap. The lugwork, dropouts, and placement of the serial number definitely shout "Capo."
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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03-26-17 | 08:10 PM
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My main experience with Capo bicycles is circa 1960. Otto and company may have subsequently switched to above-top-tube brake cable loops, or, as you mention, those might have been a custom modification. The seat post clamp is also not typical of 1960, but may be a ca. 1965 design change, since the original was kind of clunky, albeit distinctive. I have seen several Capos with the original seat post clamp replaced by a more conventional strap. The lugwork, dropouts, and placement of the serial number definitely shout "Capo."
03-28-17 | 01:24 AM
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My main experience with Capo bicycles is circa 1960. Otto and company may have subsequently switched to above-top-tube brake cable loops, or, as you mention, those might have been a custom modification. The seat post clamp is also not typical of 1960, but may be a ca. 1965 design change, since the original was kind of clunky, albeit distinctive. I have seen several Capos with the original seat post clamp replaced by a more conventional strap. The lugwork, dropouts, and placement of the serial number definitely shout "Capo."
03-28-17 | 06:30 AM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
This leads to another sheer speculation on my part -- I wonder if Otto Cap ever built frames under relabel contract to other companies. All of us have seen numerous examples of similar cross-labeling of marques among other framebuilders.
Given the top tube loops and the change in seat tube clamp, I also wonder whether this is simply a late 1960s, even 1970 (hence, the leading 0 in the S/N) model. (Otto Cap would have been running out of 5-digit serial numbers by then, and the new decade would have been a logical time to switch to a new numbering system.) The head lugs and the trim pieces on the seat stay caps, the fork crown, the rear dropouts, and the placement of the serial number shout "Capo."
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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03-28-17 | 06:59 AM
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True -- ca. 1960 Capo frames had 5-digit serial numbers starting with a 4 (see my signature). Production run rate, according to Harald Cap, Otto's son and one of my contemporaries, was about 5K units/year.
This leads to another sheer speculation on my part -- I wonder if Otto Cap ever built frames under relabel contract to other companies. All of us have seen numerous examples of similar cross-labeling of marques among other framebuilders.
Given the top tube loops and the change in seat tube clamp, I also wonder whether this is simply a late 1960s, even 1970 (hence, the leading 0 in the S/N) model. (Otto Cap would have been running out of 5-digit serial numbers by then, and the new decade would have been a logical time to switch to a new numbering system.) The head lugs and the trim pieces on the seat stay caps, the fork crown, the rear dropouts, and the placement of the serial number shout "Capo."
This leads to another sheer speculation on my part -- I wonder if Otto Cap ever built frames under relabel contract to other companies. All of us have seen numerous examples of similar cross-labeling of marques among other framebuilders.
Given the top tube loops and the change in seat tube clamp, I also wonder whether this is simply a late 1960s, even 1970 (hence, the leading 0 in the S/N) model. (Otto Cap would have been running out of 5-digit serial numbers by then, and the new decade would have been a logical time to switch to a new numbering system.) The head lugs and the trim pieces on the seat stay caps, the fork crown, the rear dropouts, and the placement of the serial number shout "Capo."
No idea what components choose for the frame, what paint and color?. I have the opportunity to buy this Capo for less than 20 euros. Take it or not?
03-29-17 | 06:43 AM
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Agreed, particularly if it takes a 27.2mm seat post. 
Long shot -- is there any evidence of filled-in rivet holes on the seat tube (Capo Sieger Rathausmann badge) or the head tube (Capo or other head badge)?
Long shot -- is there any evidence of filled-in rivet holes on the seat tube (Capo Sieger Rathausmann badge) or the head tube (Capo or other head badge)?
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
04-07-17 | 12:47 PM
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Hi, I found this model Puch mistral EL "1961" ('81)?. The components appear to be original. It is an interesting model in some way? I think you are interested in Austrian bikes. Thanks
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04-07-17 | 12:51 PM
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More like '81 than '61, I would think. Not a bad bike, though.
04-07-17 | 01:05 PM
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Puch has sometimes nice frames, I've seen the 531 mark on several. I once had a 1960s Puck, old type 26" wheels, lugged steel frame, drum brake Sturmey AB hub, very typical bike for it's time. The frame and lugs were similar to your racer. Regarding the racer: gears, drives or crank sets often get repalced as the years go by, might have happened to this bike.
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04-07-17 | 01:12 PM
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Check the date code on the back of the brake calipers. I'm sure they are about twenty years younger. Same for the cranks.
04-08-17 | 01:17 AM
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I like it. It should clean up nicely, and should provide a nice ride as well. Looking forward to the 'after' pics.
