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Old 07-09-17 | 03:12 PM
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Yes, totally salvageable I think this one would be a perfect example to acquire this skill on. If you have the tools you should be able to get this, you already understand the touchiness of it so that is half the battle. If you are careful and don't force it more than necessary you can do it. I will be glad to help walk you through it.




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Upon further inspection, a couple of the threads farther into the BB seem to be in rough shape...still think this can be chased?
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Originally Posted by lemongrass
I will definitely have to remember this! If not for this Bianchi, for future bikes I work on. Which specific model of Phil Wood BB did you end up going with?
I used the standard one, stainless steel.

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Old 07-09-17 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmuller
Now I'm curious. If you threaded this to Italian would here be much metal left in the BB shell? I haven't measured the typical BB thickness but I'm betting the answer is no.
...believe it or not, despite my cavalier attitudes about the plastic cups on sealed BB cartridges, I have a set of piloted taps for both Standard (AKA English) and for Italian BB threading. I don't know if it's still that way, but for a while there when the dollar was way up versus the Euro, you could buy the Cyclo (Cyclus ?) made ones for a little over a hunnert bucks with the handles, taps included.....with a pilot pin. Look for them from European marketers on the internet. Apparently Park has managed to keep them from showing up much over here.


An adjustable reamer to enlarge the BB costs another 50, maybe, and the handle for that costs something. I think I already had one that fit. Anyway, I've done it (it's a PIA, so I don't encourage anyone to do it except as a last resort).

You're really not taking off a whole lot of material with the reamer. Just look at the diameter difference between English and Italian. It's not huge by any stretch of the imagination. But it is a PIA, and this example definitely does not need that much work.



BTW, for you doubters on the plastic BB installation. If it's in there solid enough to trap the cartridge, it's in there.


The thing isn't going anywhere. But if you want the easiest and least iffy installation, by all means chase the sucker. Facing the shell is, IMO, a meaningless exercise on a sealed unit square taper installation. But by all means if it makes you feel better to have a nice, shiny, flat surface for that fixed side cup to seat against, go for it.


As always, these are only my opinions. But they do have some basis in real world experience.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller
Now I'm curious. If you threaded this to Italian would here be much metal left in the BB shell? I haven't measured the typical BB thickness but I'm betting the answer is no.
That is why it should be a chase of the threads, and not cutting in new threads, IIRC. A chase tap will just dress the threads, kind of a shaping up process and getting rid of the shavings and the knocked/gouged places. The shop, or individual, needs to use a dedicated chasing tap.

A skilled machinist can better explain the detail than I can, perhaps one of our resident machinist will step up.

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