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Old 06-15-24, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Maybe I'm too cheap, but the prices I see at co-ops are too high. They get all this for free. If it is around for more than a month or two, it's too expensive.

About the only good prices I see are on the complete bikes that they don't have the time to go through and garner zero interest from anyone except nerdy people like you and me. Once it goes through the hands of the co-op volunteer mechanic, it is a 500%-1000% increase in price (i.e. price btw $500-$700, regardless of the tier of the bike).
I encountered this attitude quite often. You get it for free, the customer expects you to sell it for free. Like, I didn't have expenses like feeding myself or rent or electricity.

All in, the break even point was $500/day, 5 days/week, however the shop got there.

What people often fail to realize is the amount of time, labor, or materials that went into each and every single bike. A complete and total overhau and replacement of worn pads/cables, etc...at other local Bikeshops is around $300. Our Co-Op gave every bike the same treatment and a bike too for an average price of around $200-225.

We had a dozen regular volunteers and could hardly keep bikes in stock. The problem is that for every $400 Olmo Corsica or $300 Windsor Carrera Sport with $350 worth of Phil hubs, or un-ridden Peugeot or Merz Allez that came in taking up retail space, we had a dozen Treks or Bridgestones MB4's or CB's or other early '90's mountain bikes that would sell instead. The high priced nice bikes simply sat giving the wrong impression because everything cheaper sold first.

Simply managing and disposing of the onslaught of BSO's and Bike Boom garbage in and of itself was a full time job. Let alone inventory recovery of anything even remotely valuable or salvageable for bike repair.

Maybe you should get involved in actually running a Co-Op before you pass judgement on how/why the prices are what they are. I lasted 2 years. Making magic from nothing is hard work.

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I’ve been to sharing wheels. They wouldn’t sell me a bunch of stuff. One of the reasons was because I wasn’t one of the regulars that would normally buy those types of items. In fact I was to buy a colnago and they wouldn’t sell, they were to get back to me about it, I got crickets in return. Volunteer organizers, no biggie. If the finer stuff sits it’s priced to high.

I did get a PX10 there, the director sold it to me. The PX was there for more than 3 years, according to the director, yes 3 years. Never was it presented for sale rebuilt or as-is.
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Originally Posted by base2
I encountered this attitude quite often. You get it for free, the customer expects you to sell it for free. Like, I didn't have expenses like feeding myself or rent or electricity.

All in, the break even point was $500/day, 5 days/week, however the shop got there.

What people often fail to realize is the amount of time, labor, or materials that went into each and every single bike. A complete and total overhau and replacement of worn pads/cables, etc...at other local Bikeshops is around $300. Our Co-Op gave every bike the same treatment and a bike too for an average price of around $200-225.

We had a dozen regular volunteers and could hardly keep bikes in stock. The problem is that for every $400 Olmo Corsica or $300 Windsor Carrera Sport with $350 worth of Phil hubs, or un-ridden Peugeot or Merz Allez that came in taking up retail space, we had a dozen Treks or Bridgestones MB4's or CB's or other early '90's mountain bikes that would sell instead. The high priced nice bikes simply sat giving the wrong impression because everything cheaper sold first.

Simply managing and disposing of the onslaught of BSO's and Bike Boom garbage in and of itself was a full time job. Let alone inventory recovery of anything even remotely valuable or salvageable for bike repair.

Maybe you should get involved in actually running a Co-Op before you pass judgement on how/why the prices are what they are. I lasted 2 years. Making magic from nothing is hard work.

Here's me on the local station. I'm in the green shirt.
https://www.fox13seattle.com/video/1111188

Thank you for all your hard work - I'm glad we have such passionate people in this world


EDIT: watched the vid - you seem like a really cool dude!
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Old 06-15-24, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
I’ve been to sharing wheels. They wouldn’t sell me a bunch of stuff. One of the reasons was because I wasn’t one of the regulars that would normally buy those types of items. In fact I was to buy a colnago and they wouldn’t sell, they were to get back to me about it, I got crickets in return. Volunteer organizers, no biggie. If the finer stuff sits it’s priced to high.

I did get a PX10 there, the director sold it to me. The PX was there for more than 3 years, according to the director, yes 3 years. Never was it presented for sale rebuilt or as-is.
Before me was a total A-clown that tried to scuttle the operation out of spite. When I was hired to organize the shop and sort through the junk yard of mess he refused to address he became indignant and passive/aggressive. In short order he was fired. I assumed his job, the entire backlog or repairs, all customer service duties, inventory and organizational duties. Under my tenure, every bike at a minimum got cables, pads, overhauled bearings & a fresh coat of wax, as a matter of course. I also trained the other paid mechanic and the battery of volunteers to do the same.

I was never so happy as the day I finally made it through repairing the last bike that guy had anything to do with. How his mechanical skills didn't get somebody killed or us sued, I'll never know.

I'm sorry you had that experience. On behalf of the org, I'd like to apologize. That kind of treatment and/or refusing to sell to a willing buyer is unacceptable.

The current manager is an ex-elementary school principal. He doesn't know bikes. But he does know people. I'm sure you'll get much better treatment if you are willing to give them another shot.

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Old 06-16-24, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela
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Mr. 66 -

do you know what years the yellow/orange/red/black Nerozzi transfers in you posted image were in use?

asking because have not seen them previously


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unworthy1 -

suspect gentleman shown in the race finish photo you posted be Ted Ernst, Senior

the Ted Ernst (Il Grillo) who be yet with us methimks be Ted Ernst Junior


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No the photo is dated 1950 so has to be the currently alive but a senior 90-plus years old Ted Ernst, not his dad (who had the same name). Ray G. died in 1996 AFAIK so was approx the same general age as this Ted-the-younger, who lives around Palos Verde Estates, I believe. His bike shop was in Manhattan Beach which he sold to his long-time mechanic Manny
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
No the photo is dated 1950 so has to be the currently alive but a senior 90-plus years old Ted Ernst, not his dad (who had the same name). Ray G. died in 1996 AFAIK so was approx the same general age as this Ted-the-younger, who lives around Palos Verde Estates, I believe. His bike shop was in Manhattan Beach which he sold to his long-time mechanic Manny
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thank you!

recall visiting the Manhattan Beach location, must be more 'n twenty year in the rearview mirror now

Ted helped to identify an unknown I had taken in as a Sieber

Machine ended up going to R. Brian Baylis, he said he wanted it for his wife, it was a distaffer


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Man came in w 2 pristine bikes. These were his wife’s.

stumper:





Tossed the hated RD with the big top pulley that grabbed dirt.



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Dang those are nice! Were they donated? Btw you may want to block out his email address just as a precaution.
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Stumpy, $700
Univega, haven't figured a price yet. Open to suggestions. Message me and I'll present the offer.
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Dang those are nice! Were they donated? Btw you may want to block out his email address just as a precaution.
they were donated by a former volunteer.

he said his wife said "no new bikes unless he gave up two."

So he gave up hers.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Man came in w 2 pristine bikes. These were his wife’s.

stumper:





Tossed the hated RD with the big top pulley that grabbed dirt.


Those are Tommaselli brake levers, OEM on early Stumpy's, Magura's are less often seen.









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How is this size 48 (seat tube) 51 (top tube) Sequoia still here?

they lowered the price to $450 with racks/bags or $375 without.

NW Hub, Salem Oregon



The packs are really nice

Huret

Blackburn racks


The h-bar bag is perfect. Not even yellowed or cracked!!
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Simply managing and disposing of the onslaught of BSO's and Bike Boom garbage in and of itself was a full time job. Let alone inventory recovery of anything even remotely valuable or salvageable for bike repair.

Maybe you should get involved in actually running a Co-Op before you pass judgement on how/why the prices are what they are. I lasted 2 years. Making magic from nothing is hard work.

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https://www.fox13seattle.com/video/1111188
A dedicated inventory control person at a bike coop is super important.

When the inventory guy at the T-town coop got a sweet state job it was a sad day. He did such a great job of keeping "types separated"

1. Fancy case items
2. Bin Items
3. Parts for bike referb
4. Priced used Items
5. New Items

He just made it happen during covid.

Now when you pull something out of a bin they want to price it on the spot.... le sigh. The old big wooden windowed case is now a tiny unsorted mishmash.





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