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Yellows the new red..18.5lbs speedy banana bike. One of my favourite riders, I rarely take out my old sworks.
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I really want one of the red disc Poprads, but apparently so does everyone else. Every time I see one on CL the price looks outrageous to me, but it disappears within a week.
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I've got one of the "Gomango" orange Poprads, Platnium OX, 2006. I'd second the recommendation to look at the Tru Temper bikes, very nice riding bike. I'm actually considering doing a 'cross race or two (gasp). The bike just needs a better motor.
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Happy to report that after 2-3 years of waiting, I finally scored a very nice red '98 Zurich. Stumbled on a fresh 2-hour old posting on Craigslist and pounced. $200 asked and gladly paid. Stoked! It's one size bigger than my usual frame but I couldn't pass it up.
I'm hoping a shorter stem will make it fit well enough, despite the warnings about long top tubes. Pics to follow (eventually).
I'm hoping a shorter stem will make it fit well enough, despite the warnings about long top tubes. Pics to follow (eventually).
What area of Iowa? I'm in Ames. I picked up what I believe is a '96 Zurich this spring, sweet, sweet ride! My groupset (6400) is fricking mint looking, but the paint has a few nicks but other then that looks good.
Unfortunately the frame is somewhat twisted? I didn't notice until the guys at the bike shop pointed it out lol. Also I had to swap the original 12-23 cassette to a 12-26 because wind+hills
You got a great deal for $200, I paid a little more for mine.
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What area of Iowa? I'm in Ames. I picked up what I believe is a '96 Zurich this spring, sweet, sweet ride! My groupset (6400) is fricking mint looking, but the paint has a few nicks but other then that looks good.
Unfortunately the frame is somewhat twisted? I didn't notice until the guys at the bike shop pointed it out lol. Also I had to swap the original 12-23 cassette to a 12-26 because wind+hills
You got a great deal for $200, I paid a little more for mine.
I'm in Urbandale (Des Moines for out of stater's).
I haven't had a chance to completely inspect the "new" Zurich but it's looking promising. A slight scratch across the rear der. and very tiny scraping on the brifters. Light scratches on the cranks only visible with your nose up almost to the chainrings. The paint is in the 8-9 range. The seller seemed to be fairly knowledgeable about bikes so I don't feel like I ripped him off at $200. He said he needed space in his garage so he was selling off some bikes.
It has Ultegra 9 speed (6500?). Probably the first year for 9 speed because the 97 Zurich was 8 speed. The tires are what was spec'ed in the catalog. They are aged gumwalls with no wear. I suspect they are the original tires.
I've been on the lookout for Lemonds for 2-3 years but kinda figured it would never pan out. I've only seen 2 or 3 853's on Craigslist in all that time. Some pop up in Omaha and Minneapolis but Iowa is a Lemond desert. How did you find yours?
I'm with you on the 26T cassette. I see no shame in a larger cog! I'm sure even Greg had rides where he wished for a bigger cog
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I picked up a used 2001 Zurich frameset last year for a great price. I was always curious about the legendary ride qualities of the Zurich with its 853 Pro tubeset, so I was now able to experience it for myself.
I'm glad I got it because it is a very sweet riding bike, all the acclaim is justified, IMO.
I'm glad I got it because it is a very sweet riding bike, all the acclaim is justified, IMO.
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I took delivery of my Calfee in 2000 with a CF fork from TrueTemper. A little over 1 year later it developed a tiny crack (only a few mm) in the paint at the top of the fork near the steel steerer. I thought it was a paint issue, but took it back to Calfee for inspection.
Craig Calfee inspected and replaced it (tho' not painted to match the frame). It was explained to me that the manufacturing process was flawed and a lot of them were showing signs of failing when used in rough conditions. My rough use was due to the earthquaked mountain backroads in Santa Cruz county and descending at speed.
Never saw any recall notices. True Temper stopped selling CF forks early in the game, if i'm not mistaken. It was never 'noodly' as far as I could tell; in fact, I would never have seen the crack except for the fact that the bike&fork were painted yellow.
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I'll contribute to the comment on carbon forks from this era, '99, '00, '01.
I took delivery of my Calfee in 2000 with a CF fork from TrueTemper. A little over 1 year later it developed a tiny crack (only a few mm) in the paint at the top of the fork near the steel steerer. I thought it was a paint issue, but took it back to Calfee for inspection.
Craig Calfee inspected and replaced it (tho' not painted to match the frame). It was explained to me that the manufacturing process was flawed and a lot of them were showing signs of failing when used in rough conditions. My rough use was due to the earthquaked mountain backroads in Santa Cruz county and descending at speed.
Never saw any recall notices. True Temper stopped selling CF forks early in the game, if i'm not mistaken. It was never 'noodly' as far as I could tell; in fact, I would never have seen the crack except for the fact that the bike&fork were painted yellow.
I took delivery of my Calfee in 2000 with a CF fork from TrueTemper. A little over 1 year later it developed a tiny crack (only a few mm) in the paint at the top of the fork near the steel steerer. I thought it was a paint issue, but took it back to Calfee for inspection.
Craig Calfee inspected and replaced it (tho' not painted to match the frame). It was explained to me that the manufacturing process was flawed and a lot of them were showing signs of failing when used in rough conditions. My rough use was due to the earthquaked mountain backroads in Santa Cruz county and descending at speed.
Never saw any recall notices. True Temper stopped selling CF forks early in the game, if i'm not mistaken. It was never 'noodly' as far as I could tell; in fact, I would never have seen the crack except for the fact that the bike&fork were painted yellow.
The only LeMond fork I've seen fail was on a friend's bike. He was transporting some rebar pieces, holding them in one hand as he rode, as one does. Naturally, one slipped out of his hand and went into the front wheel. Surprisingly, he came out of it with all of his teeth intact. I guess there are some times when a flimsy carbon fork is nice to have.
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Go Cyclones!!! Cheers to my alma mater.
I'm in Urbandale (Des Moines for out of staters.
I've been on the lookout for Lemonds for 2-3 years but kinda figured it would never pan out. I've only seen 2 or 3 853's on Craigslist in all that time. Some pop up in Omaha and Minneapolis but Iowa is a Lemond desert. How did you find yours?
I'm with you on the 26T cassette. I see no shame in a larger cog! I'm sure even Greg had rides where he wished for a bigger cog
I'm in Urbandale (Des Moines for out of staters.
I've been on the lookout for Lemonds for 2-3 years but kinda figured it would never pan out. I've only seen 2 or 3 853's on Craigslist in all that time. Some pop up in Omaha and Minneapolis but Iowa is a Lemond desert. How did you find yours?
I'm with you on the 26T cassette. I see no shame in a larger cog! I'm sure even Greg had rides where he wished for a bigger cog
The guys at the LBS griefed me a bit because I snagged it faster They had thought it might have been a fake but the 6400 group, forged drops, carbon fork, mavic wheels and 20.5lb weight seemed legit
I loooove my 6400 group but I sacrificed my 14t to get the 26t, which after riding all season I think I can do without and might swap back in the 12-23. Also though the rear brifter is becoming flaky so I may just go with a 10 speed rear.
I'm a little jealous that yours is red though, would look amazing with new yellow cable housings and bar tape!
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Was '96 the first year for Zurichs? Yours sounds awesome.
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conflicting data..which rules?
I'm just working on expanding the original data-spreadsheet that Iowa10Speed created and posted.
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
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I'm just working on expanding the original data-spreadsheet that Iowa10Speed created and posted.
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual spec-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual spec-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
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Well, if it's any consolation to you, used ones in good shape are going for about 20 cents on the dollar on CL, often less. I see a lot of them for sale these days, it's definitely a buyer's market.
I agree with the other poster on the awful color combos though. About half of the Lemonds I see for sale, I would probably refuse to ride unless repainted, or at least Plastidipped. The other half look excellent.
I agree with the other poster on the awful color combos though. About half of the Lemonds I see for sale, I would probably refuse to ride unless repainted, or at least Plastidipped. The other half look excellent.
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I'm just working on expanding the original data-spreadsheet that Iowa10Speed created and posted.
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
So, my question..when conflicting data exists, does anyone know which data to believe as actual-true?
If the answer is "..sometimes the spec manual and sometimes the brochure.." then how do folks want to address conflicting data? (assuming anyone cares..it would be nice to have the spreadsheet accurate) Do I post conflicts here and you guys can determine which is correct? I'd guess, collectively, people know which is correct from experience or bikes they own(example..if someone has a 1997 BA and it has the 853 decal..then 853 is the answer).
That being said.... running changes were commmon.
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People also seem to not like the association with Trek. For whatever reason I feel like Trek-built LeMonds get looked down upon more than Trek-branded Treks. I suppose it's because of the more desirable pre-Trek LeMonds. And of course people who like Greg LeMond have a pretty legitimate reason not to like Trek.
IMO, the lower end LeMonds are just screaming deals if you want an old frame to build up with new components. For instance, there's a 2001 Nevada City in Seattle right now with an asking price of $350. If you look at this as a 16-year old bike with 16-year old Sora components $350 is nothing to get excited about, but if you look at it as a Reynolds 853 main triangle frame with decent wheels and a set of components you can strip and re-sell for $100 or so it becomes pretty attractive. I also happen to really like the 2001 Nevada City colors.
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As frame sets at least, I think the Lemonds tend to be very good deals. Most I've paid is $150 for a Zurich on eBay (which included headset and stem and few other bits and bobs). My Buenos Aires was $100 on CL with stuck stem and seat post, both of which I removed and sold off for about $40 total, so I'm only in on that one for $60 net.
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I'm just working on expanding the original data-spreadsheet that Iowa10Speed created and posted.
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
For the data source I'm using Lemond(Trek Archive) annual tech-manual data and the annual brochure.
I'm into 1997 and see conflicting data. Example: The 1997 spec manual says the Buenos Aires has True Temper Cro-Moly tubes and stays. The 1997 brochure says the Buenos Aires has an 853 "frame" (nothing stated specifically to stays).
I suggest adding 2 columns to my original spreadsheet - one for 'Conflicts Found' and another for 'Confirmation' for logging actual tubesets reported by BF members.
I found several conflicts too. In retrospect I wish I had noted them. I don't remember how I resolved conflicts but I probably gave more credibility to the Spec Sheet.
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I'm kind of giddy having picked up a Lemond Tourmalet Reynolds 853 today for $40. I've just started road cycling a year ago and have been riding a Lemond Triomphe Carbon, which I am very happy with, but have been keeping my eye out for other Lemond bikes.
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