Saved from destruction
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Bikes: Bianchi (Campagnolo) '12, Bianchi 1x11 (Sram) '15, Olmo Dynamic (Campagnolo) '11, Nishiki Road Master SS '11, Nishiki Trim Master '89, Giant TCX2 CC '12, White GX Pro (gravel) '20, White (MTB) 29", Insera Nyx 27,5", Trek Zektor Four (CC) 29"
It's really knowing when the frame's too far gone. I've replaced a steerer on a fork, dropouts on forks, but show me a crack up in the crown, fuggetaboutit. A crack in a rear dropout, one can replace it, but that's a lotta work. You can replace tubes, even, if you really want to. Go to Peter Weigle's site and you can find an instance where he replaced an entire chain stay. That's a master at work, but that frame was special to the customer and had an accident where the stay was really whacked.
I'm like the kid that has a dog follow him home. It's hard for me to say no to saving a frame if I can. It's really amazing how much abuse a steel frame can take and still be brought back into alignment. When I was much younger, all the racers rode on steel, because that's what we had. You crashed, bent the frame, and it as the only bike you had, you brought it in and had it straightened, and raced it the next weekend. Nowadays everything's seen as disposable.
I'm like the kid that has a dog follow him home. It's hard for me to say no to saving a frame if I can. It's really amazing how much abuse a steel frame can take and still be brought back into alignment. When I was much younger, all the racers rode on steel, because that's what we had. You crashed, bent the frame, and it as the only bike you had, you brought it in and had it straightened, and raced it the next weekend. Nowadays everything's seen as disposable.
Sometimes a reason to throw a bike away is that it is locked (framelock) and no key. Like this one with full Altus parts.
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That SuperCourse blows me away. Nice work!
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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So, what's the difference between frames that are bent but can be saved, vs frames that are bent but also have small cracks in the paint that translates to the frame being toast? I know it's impossible to quantify, but what are some markers that make one say: "Nah, that frame is unsafe to ride if you tried to realign the frame."
Sometimes you just have to make a decision whether to save or not to save something. And personally I see a lot more trouble to fix something for my own use than to those that are sold onward. I give guarantee for the bikes I sell on, so can't take a risk picking up a bike that is dangerous. But you have to rely on the eyeing the bike on location. There are a lot of things that can be bad in the bike what you can't see visually by just looking. I'll try to drive those bikes first myself to see they work properly.
One thing that tells something with geared bikes is that on smallest cog(s) the chain slip when pressured with hard pedaling, and it means that the frame is giving up. It is not as sturdy anymore than it was. That can't be seen just on bare eyes, except looking how worn the cogs, chain or derailleur pulleys are. But somebody might have changed them at some point.
So happened with a beautiful Peugeot. Paint job was still pristine. Did everything, changed all I could but the chain was skipping/slipping. So had to turn it to be single speed, unfortunately. And with a quite light gear ratio. When giving a lot of pressure to pedals, the chain was skipping annoyingly.
Steel frames need to be straighten slowly using time. Can't rush. Like the one here.
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One thing that tells something with geared bikes is that on smallest cog(s) the chain slip when pressured with hard pedaling, and it means that the frame is giving up. It is not as sturdy anymore than it was. That can't be seen just on bare eyes, except looking how worn the cogs, chain or derailleur pulleys are. But somebody might have changed them at some point.
So happened with a beautiful Peugeot. Paint job was still pristine. Did everything, changed all I could but the chain was skipping/slipping. So had to turn it to be single speed, unfortunately. And with a quite light gear ratio. When giving a lot of pressure to pedals, the chain was skipping annoyingly. ...
One thing that tells something with geared bikes is that on smallest cog(s) the chain slip when pressured with hard pedaling, and it means that the frame is giving up. It is not as sturdy anymore than it was. That can't be seen just on bare eyes, except looking how worn the cogs, chain or derailleur pulleys are. But somebody might have changed them at some point.
So happened with a beautiful Peugeot. Paint job was still pristine. Did everything, changed all I could but the chain was skipping/slipping. So had to turn it to be single speed, unfortunately. And with a quite light gear ratio. When giving a lot of pressure to pedals, the chain was skipping annoyingly. ...
I have BROKEN two steel frames in the driveline area -- Nishiki Competition at the bottom bracket shell's seat tube lug, Peugeot UO-8 on the drive side chainstay, but that is, of course, a total failure, rather than a general "giving up" (softening?) of the frame.
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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The green spray paint "protected" the rear chrome stays, I just polished it after paint strip. Not perfect, but close enough. The front fork besides being incorrect, was powdercoated black, so I found a NOS chrome Rampar Tange fork on Ebay and had the top painted. It has the incorrect crown, but the bike is a rider, not a museum piece. I pieced together the headset from different Raleigh parts, and an old Bianchi bottom bearing cup with better chrome. It's done 1200 miles since rebuild.
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Are you sure the problem was in the frame itself? Every chain skip problem I have ever encountered was caused by chain elongation, cog tooth wear, freewheel float, loose crank or rear axle bearings, and/or chain/cog incompatibility.
I have BROKEN two steel frames in the driveline area -- Nishiki Competition at the bottom bracket shell's seat tube lug, Peugeot UO-8 on the drive side chainstay, but that is, of course, a total failure, rather than a general "giving up" (softening?) of the frame.
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I have BROKEN two steel frames in the driveline area -- Nishiki Competition at the bottom bracket shell's seat tube lug, Peugeot UO-8 on the drive side chainstay, but that is, of course, a total failure, rather than a general "giving up" (softening?) of the frame.
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