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noglider 11-05-17 11:21 AM

How weird that the decals are downgrades. Some people are weird.

himespau 11-05-17 11:31 AM

My only guess is that someone wanted to commute on it and didn't want it stolen.

Steve Whitlatch 11-05-17 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19973727)
How weird that the decals are downgrades. Some people are weird.

It`s crazy right? To top it off he had a black rubber Raleigh chain stay protector stuck on the drive side top tube? I wish I took a picture of that before I removed it. Someone must have told him it was a Raleigh racing bike and he just went with it? :lol:

Fahrenheit531 11-05-17 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 19973746)
My only guess is that someone wanted to commute on it and didn't want it stolen.

+1

...Somebody around here has a "Huffy" that's actually something far more serious, decalled for urban stealth. I keep thinking of [MENTION=174646]The Golden Boy[/MENTION] but it may be someone else.

The Golden Boy 11-05-17 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by J.Oxley (Post 19973753)
+1

...Somebody around here has a "Huffy" that's actually something far more serious, decalled for urban stealth. I keep thinking of [MENTION=174646]The Golden Boy[/MENTION] but it may be someone else.

That would be Aaron's Litespeed.

16Victor 11-05-17 11:47 AM

I've always had great luck with brass wool and PB Blaster to clean up chrome.

I think it's a great find, I'm very happy for you. Had to be a excellent surprise!

Anyway a man can talk you out of those guidonnet levers? 😊

Steve Whitlatch 11-05-17 11:49 AM

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USAZorro 11-05-17 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 19973493)
K73123 is the 123rd Paramount frameset scheduled for production during the month of October, 1973. It appears to be a P15-9.


Why the heck would anyone paint a Paramount to look like a Raleigh? :foo:

I might. Then again, I grew up in a practicing Raleigh family and internalized the prejudism (but learned to "Love the Schwinner, but not the Schwinn"). :innocent:

Steve Whitlatch 11-05-17 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by 16Victor (Post 19973770)
I've always had great luck with brass wool and PB Blaster to clean up chrome.

I think it's a great find, I'm very happy for you. Had to be a excellent surprise!

Anyway a man can talk you out of those guidonnet levers? ��

I will give brass wool a try. Thanks. The Levers, I can always remove the turkey wings? I am not sold on them but they would be correct. For comfort, I could always go modern Aero. LOL

I knew it was something good by the lugs, surprise was the Campagnolo Triple. I was trying so hard not to smile and dance in front of the guy. I could sell that crankset for more than twice what I paid for the bike. Paramount, yes a surprise and I would take it over an International in a heartbeat. I thought I was buying a beat up International as I was driving to get it. :)

palincss 11-05-17 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Whitlatch (Post 19973794)
I will give brass wool a try. Thanks. The Levers, I can always remove the turkey wings? I am not sold on them but they would be correct.

Yes, but optional. You would violate no period correctness shibboleths if you removed them.

steelbikeguy 11-05-17 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Whitlatch (Post 19973794)
..... I thought I was buying a beat up International as I was driving to get it. :)

so what's the story on the Raleigh headbadge?
Is it riveted on, or just stuck on with some glue?

If you've managed to remove it already, have you found holes that match the Schwinn badge?
(and if you don't have plans for the Raleigh badge, I know a downstate Raleigh nerd that would give it a home ;) )


Steve in Peoria

Steve Whitlatch 11-05-17 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by steelbikeguy (Post 19973920)
so what's the story on the Raleigh headbadge?
Is it riveted on, or just stuck on with some glue?

If you've managed to remove it already, have you found holes that match the Schwinn badge?
(and if you don't have plans for the Raleigh badge, I know a downstate Raleigh nerd that would give it a home ;) )


Steve in Peoria

I have not gotten that far yet. The badge is yours when I do remove it though. :)

Insidious C. 11-05-17 01:33 PM

My eyes are trying to tell me the fork blades and maybe head tube have visible seams (pic 3, pic 2). Are these just photo artifacts?

Steve Whitlatch 11-05-17 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Insidious C. (Post 19973936)
My eyes are trying to tell me the fork blades and maybe head tube have visible seams (pic 3, pic 2). Are these just photo artifacts?

Must be the reflection of light, no seems.

kcblair 11-05-17 04:28 PM

My question, why would someone go to all the trouble to even put on that headbadge, I mean, why the total disguise, It baffles me too. KB

Homebrew01 11-05-17 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Whitlatch (Post 19973669)

I am not sure how much it will cost to fix the top tube cable stop? Any rough estimates anyone?

I can't quite see what's wrong with it... cracked ?

Should be cheap to fix. It's always the repaint that's the expensive part.

jeirvine 11-05-17 05:22 PM

Send it to Richard Schwinn for a "factory" repaint.

The Golden Boy 11-05-17 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 19974267)
I can't quite see what's wrong with it... cracked ?

Should be cheap to fix. It's always the repaint that's the expensive part.

Looks like half the braze on cracked off- so a Suntour downtube cable stop is clamped on to act as the cable stop.

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachmen...4&d=1509859463

Colnago Mixte 11-06-17 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by USAZorro (Post 19973785)
I might. Then again, I grew up in a practicing Raleigh family and internalized the prejudism (but learned to "Love the Schwinner, but not the Schwinn"). :innocent:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

To recap, the OP removed the paint off a bike with Raleigh decals, and discovered that the frame was unexpectedly a much more rare and valuable Paramount. So if I'm understanding the thread correctly, it was a textbook example of "Original Schwinn".

It was an odd move by the previous owner to do this, but as I always say, let he who has not Schwinned cast the first stone.

Enjoy the rest of the show, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be here all week. :)

USAZorro 11-06-17 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte (Post 19975089)
...

Enjoy the rest of the show, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be here all week. :)


pssst. You're supposed to tell them to try the veal.

noglider 11-06-17 09:58 AM

And I remember a thread from about 2010 when someone posted pictures of his "Peugeot" which were clearly a Raleigh Gran Sport with Peugeot decals.

Kactus 11-06-17 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 19973746)
My only guess is that someone wanted to commute on it and didn't want it stolen.

The tweekers must have been much more selective in his neighborhood than mine.

Colnago Mixte 11-06-17 11:46 AM

I think Schwinn had kind of a stodgy reputation back in the 70's and 80's. I know I thought poorly of them, having seen nothing but their gas pipe steel models like the Sting Ray, Varsity, and Continental. I very much associated Schwinn with their low end stuff back then, and thought those were the only kind of bikes they made.

So I can easily see someone disguising a Schwinn, even a Paramount, to look like one of those fancy English brands like Raleigh. I saw a couple very nice, very lightweight Raleigh road bikes back then, and assumed they made only high end stuff, and Schwinn only made the low end stuff.

Which is absurd, knowing what I know now (my Paramount PDG is my favorite bike of all time) but I think a lot of people thought like I did back then. Sadly, this kind of thinking probably had a lot to do with Schwinn going bankrupt back in the early 90's, their brand image was not nearly as hip or trendy as the English, Italian, French and Japanese imports. I think it was similar to what happened with the brand image of American cars during that era.

ptempel 11-06-17 12:16 PM

What a strange and interesting find. Congrats to Mr Whitlatch on it. Please keep us in the loop on the restoration process. This story is better than most of the TV shows I watch on Netflix. ;)


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