I saw that stem and needed to get one.


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It looks so much better sitting on the small head tube and looks almost like a quill on steroids. I agree someone needs to try figure out who builds these then import them into the states.

Sneak peak Thursday:

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Lower headset cups, polished, anodized, and etched.

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Weight-weenie-esque aluminum cones.

Assembly should be in full swing in the next week or two. Happy to field any questions in the meantime.

Here’s my money!!
 

will you go through amazon again or will you let us know how or where to purchase? I’m still at newb status so I cannot DM you at this time to order directly.

Yes, provided that Amazon continues to process orders efficiently as they have been as of late I plan to restock their warehouses. I do need to sort out the listing so that both color options appear on the same page still.

If you can't DM/PM me and want to order now (silver units still available) or just want to avoid Amazon, email me at joe at jjpne dot com

Hooray! Im glad to see both colors being re-stocked. Sitting on my pennies until the amazon store has them again.

As noted previously, Amazon will lag behind on availability for a good few weeks. If you are ready to buy, send me an email at the address above and I’ll set you up to purchase through Paypal.

I’m taking delivery of all the CNC components this afternoon so with any luck I’ll be shipping the first headsets by mid-week.

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Inni upgrade to my 1989 Trek 1500.
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Okay, i've got to deck my trek out with my carbon wheelset and do a photoshoot sometime! That setup is wild though. Those wheels and those pedals? Huh.

When things go live on amazon again, I'll have to drop a review. Bike has been on my kickr for a bit but it's performed flawlessly outdoors as well. I'm likely going to use that bike more outdoors as the cooler weather sets in say october ish so it'll get a fair amount more use outdoors.

This looks great!

I have a pair of clipless I ride too but I also live in the city so I opt to push flat pedals because I've have a lot of "close encounters" and more than one love tap from cars. I just find it to be safer.

This is genius and the best I've seen. Need to grab a couple.

A question for Joe or Jack:
I'm having trouble with slippage of stems on the steerer.
One can surmise the high end finish may be partially culpritave?
I did not have any carbon paste.
My other ones have some scarring when I grabbed them with channel-locks, etc.
This seems to have them well locked in, but the new one, actually installed per instructions, is clean, shiny, and the stem pivots.
No doubt you have a solution.
Gracias, still, as I'm digging these every ride.... except the one...
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First, let me say that I am humbled by the enthusiastic response to this product lately. Not much more than a year ago I considered letting it die a slow death. *I* was enthusiastic about it and it had a small but vocal group of cheerleaders since the beginning, but the product wasn't getting the traction I expected/wanted/needed it to get to continue investing my time in it. Well, things have changed! And of course it comes at a time when I'm busier than ever and while nearly everything was right on this latest batch of parts, there just had to be one QC issue thrown into the mix to slow me down. That has been sorted and headsets are beginning to roll off the production line.

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I'll be in touch. Both black and silver headsets are now available. I'm happy to ship worldwide.

Me: Joe :) 'Jack' is the first half of my very common last name. I forget who first called me JoeJack but it stuck and I like it better than Shoeless.

Interesting issue. How exactly are you getting slipping? Are the bars turning on the steerer while riding or are they just easy to pivot about the steerer in general? I hate to blame the 'other guy' but given how part of my assembly protocol involves clamping a stem to the steerer and applying a hefty amount of torque to it via the stem, I'm inclined to believe the issue is not the finish on the steerer.

The stem you are using is part of an integrated handlebar/stem, correct? Do you, or someone you know, have digital calipers to get a sense of the inner diameter of the stem clamp? I'm guessing it's off by quite a bit, or out of round, or both. Regardless, I'd start with carbon paste then perhaps move on to additional shims to tighten the fit. I can hook you up with some 0.1mm stainless to go down the latter path.

I'm just going quietly ignore the channel lock comment and act like I didn't hear that. If anyone gets into a situation where they need to apply torque to the headset during install or bearing preload, please clamp a stem onto the steerer for that purpose. Thanks in advance!

The stem is tight, but can still move on the steerer.
Stem 1, I tightened to where the threads were damaged.
I replaced it, can not get it to seize, even overtorqued.
I am not using an integrated stem/bar. Standard stem.

I know you don’t like the channel-lock thing, but it does scar up the steerer so the stem clamps on well....

Which stem?

Excellent :-)

1 Ritchey WCS
1 Toseak (Mao's)
Neither are tight enough to use a stem to torque down the headset on installation.
I kind of like the scarring idea as a gripper.

Couldn’t you just beer can shim it?

YESSS! So do we message you or will you go through amazon again? I want a couple, also.

I would have probably taken some sandpaper and roughed up the finish a bit over doing the channel locks thing. That plus carbon paste or such.

Worst case scenario is beer can shim but a well made product shouldn't need it.

I have a silver innicycle headset on my trek. I've got a power meter on the bike and have hit over 1300W on a sprint with the bike (hit almost 1450 on a different bike). The handlebars didn't move. I had to work up the guts to sprint that hard because I didn't trust things right after install and think it's generally a good idea to feel things out right after assembly. No issues. I'm running a cheap oem cannondale stem I bought on ebay for like 25 bucks.

I'm not sure exactly what's going on with either stem but I've used a variety of cheap and high end stems and not had an issue with slippage.

The issue with scarring as a means of generating grip is that you are hoping those scars transfer over to the stem. That's the only way they generate any increase in friction. In my experience, this will be a short lived victory. The better approach is to work towards getting full circumferential contact between the stem and steerer which, if my assumptions are correct about the bore in your stems, will require some sort of shim.

Any chance you could send me one, or both, of the offending stems and I'll do inspection to sort out where things are going wrong? Then hopefully I can return the stem(s) with a properly sized shim.

Just email me for now. I promise ordering will be simpler in the near future but it's not ready yet.

I may send the one with stripped threads, but the Ritchey is working fine on another bike. A third stem is in place and I’m afraid to ride the bike at present. I don’t need it to fail on the road. I will return to my storage unit and test it again before I ride it. I may try carbon paste.

Regarding carbon paste to reduce slippage, be wary of Park SAC-1. It's much more aggressive than I'd expected. It basically seems to be broken glass in grease. It scarred the hell out of my carbon frame seat tube and metal (aluminum or titanium, not sure) seat post, and the aluminum-to-aluminum contact of my stem and handlebar.

I have a full tube of that SAC-1 stuff and doubt I'll use it again unless I find something I want to destroy. Or maybe I'll use it as a grinding paste.

I'm happy to accept any of the stems that have an issue for inspection, and happy to send you a prepaid label for that purpose. I'm extremely curious about what is going on. Can you send some pics of the steerer tube portion of the headset as well? Do you have digital calipers available? What sort of steerer tube is the Ritchey stem working on? Aluminum, steel, carbon, standard threadless adapter?

The only time I've ever had a questionable stem to steerer clamping arrangement was a Ritchey WCS stem on LOOK (circa 2004) carbon steerer. Like most carbon steerers, the finish is as smooth as glass but the main issue is that the steerer tube was undersized so the pinch clamp on the stem was bottoming out at (or near) full torque. That same stem clamps solidly on an innicycle steerer, though.

I mention all this not to try to prove anyone wrong, just to add to the conversation. Weird stuff happens and I've learned several times that the hardest part of designing stuff like this is accommodating the parts for which I have no control (fork steerer tubes and stems in this case).

Very nice— I'm pretty sure Schindelhauer has these custom manufactured rather than ordering them out of a manufacturer's catalog, since they seem to have a great deal of custom parts made to meet their aesthetic preferences— so importing would probably have to be done through them. They do ship to the US, it's just not very economical for the small part like a stem.

I just wanted to say the headset is great! It worked perfect with my VO stem. The lower race was incredibly tough to get on and the fork and race needed a little bit of filing, but other than that I'm very happy.



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