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Miloburnz 06-20-18 03:37 PM

Super Record Brake levers
 
Just aquired a mid eighties Colnago Super that has had the gearing changed in the past to shimano hyperglide , I want to put it back to all Super Record as per original but would prefer aero brake levers, do Super Record brake levers come in aero/non aero like the C Record ones . All the Super Record levers i have come accross appear to be non aeros .

noglider 06-20-18 03:54 PM

They were all non-aero.

Wileyone 06-20-18 03:59 PM

Chorus Levers are nice and come in Aero.

juvela 06-20-18 05:58 PM

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SR levers exist in two reaches. Launch was ~1974 and in ~1976 reach on Campag levers was reduced.


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Old Fireleg 06-21-18 05:14 AM

Maybe a pair of Modolo Kronos or Orion?
These were often used with the SR groupset in the first half of the 80's.

But foxy people could transform the SR to aero. In 1984, the great Bernard Hinault competed in the chrono stages with these.
And there was also a way to bring the cable down in the arch of the brake lever, but I recommend this only to a strong twist. :)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...077b2c4bc9.jpg

noglider 06-21-18 07:21 AM

What a great picture. I loved Hinault and Lemond.

So a mechanic drilled holes in the bodies of the levers to change the cable routing?

Old Fireleg 06-21-18 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20405143)
What a great picture. I loved Hinault and Lemond.

So a mechanic drilled holes in the bodies of the levers to change the cable routing?

Yes, over the bolt of clamp. The hole on the bar had to be drilled as close as possible to the upper edge of the body to the hood to be pulled. "On the hoods" hand position so was shot. But in a TT race they are also running with Drops position

Francesco Moser was the most outstanding TT competitor of his time and one of my personal favourite. But when Hinault took part in Giro in 1982, he won both time trial stages in front of Moser. (but this picture above was made in 84)

jyl 06-21-18 10:45 AM

The aero mod to SR levers is interesting. Did the brake cable make a sharp bend? I'd worry about that for longevity, not important for a team bike where brake cables could be changed frequently of course.

noglider 06-21-18 12:04 PM

Oh come to think of it, I saw it done in summer of 1979. I was working at a bike shop, and another mechanic was doing it to his race bike. I ridiculed his effort, but he said that in races, little things add up.

jyl 06-21-18 03:38 PM

In the aero mod, does the brake cable and housing run inside the bar? Or does the cable exit the brake body next to the bar and the housing run outside the bar and under the bar tape? Eyeing my SR bike...

shnibop 06-22-18 03:03 PM


Old Fireleg 06-22-18 03:17 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...26ebd8c849.jpg
Here is the crazy another semi-aero way.

SteelCharlie 06-22-18 10:20 PM

I recall seeing a few of the mutilated levers around that time. None of them seemed to work all that well and of course on a TT bike they didn't have to. I'm not an aero hater or above using the aero levers. I have a pair of early Shimano aero levers with white hoods on my Colnago Super and feel no shame whatsoever. And they work just fine and have for some considerable time now.

Old Fireleg 06-23-18 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 20405979)
In the aero mod, does the brake cable and housing run inside the bar? Or does the cable exit the brake body next to the bar and the housing run outside the bar and under the bar tape? Eyeing my SR bike...

I think both of these solutions are feasible, though I only saw the in-bar variation. Probably the Modolo Kronos provided the pattern where the cable could be only inside. (There was someone who dropped out of the plastic house's corner to guide the cable under the bar tape.) At the other and later aero levers ( C-Record, Shimano AX and 7400, Aero GC), the out-bar was more common.

SteelCharlie 06-23-18 03:33 PM

The cable holes in the bars provided fine places for the bars to break and what with Joe Blow doing it the breakage was not uncommon. But of course, there were always people who just had to try it hahahaha Gotta love that can do attitude ..................

Chombi1 06-24-18 11:39 AM

I have a Giro D' Italia Cinelli bars that game with my Montello when I bought it as the third owner. It has holes on the bar where the tops of the lever bodies land, when installed and on the reinforcing sleeve on both side of the knurled surface for the stem to clamp on. First I thought it was a home made jobbie, but after examining the way the holes were drilled, I determined that it was done by Cinelli at their factory as it looks like you need to use specialized drilling equipment to come up with the unusual angled extended mousehole shaped (domed on one end and flat on the other) profile the holes near the stem has. I also saw another example in the net with exactly the same shaped holes, further evidence that Cinelli did issue bars with holes drilled for routing cables in them. I guess eventually they just went to the grooved bar design that must be much easier to produce and does not bring up the question about possible structural compromise from drilling the bars.....
the GDI bars now live on my just completed Bottechia. The brake cables were a bit of a challenge to install, but after doing one side with the help of some string and a powerful vacuum cleaner, the other side was a cinch after that....

Old Fireleg 06-24-18 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi1 (Post 20409967)
I have a Giro D' Italia Cinelli bars that game with my Montello when I bought it as the third owner. It has holes on the bar where the tops of the lever bodies land, when installed and on the reinforcing sleeve on both side of the knurled surface for the stem to clamp on. First I thought it was a home made jobbie, but after examining the way the holes were drilled, I determined that it was done by Cinelli at their factory as it looks like you need to use specialized drilling equipment to come up with the unusual angled extended mousehole shaped (domed on one end and flat on the other) profile the holes near the stem has. I also saw another example in the net with exactly the same shaped holes, further evidence that Cinelli did issue bars with holes drilled for routing cables in them. I guess eventually they just went to the grooved bar design that must be much easier to produce and does not bring up the question about possible structural compromise from drilling the bars.....
the GDI bars now live on my just completed Bottechia. The brake cables were a bit of a challenge to install, but after doing one side with the help of some string and a powerful vacuum cleaner, the other side was a cinch after that....

Thanks for the info!
So far I only thought the 3ttt Paris-Roubaix was the only factory aero bar in this era. Although I saw some pictures of Cinelli, but I thought the framebuilder was drilling the holes on it. For example, on this sensational Ciöcc.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...033ea8791e.jpg

or this aero Battaglin
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ba8f76f78c.jpg

repechage 06-24-18 05:22 PM

Interesting the position of the Modolo Aero levers on both of the bikes imaged for a catalog.
Note the size of those chainrings on the Ciocc, and the weird angle of the front brake and fork orientation in the inset image.

I bought a bike with those levers, nice seller provided me a set of NOS NIP hoods for same.
I removed the levers and they sit in a box.

Miloburnz 06-25-18 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by Old Fireleg (Post 20407593)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...26ebd8c849.jpg
Here is the crazy another semi-aero way.

That is something completely different😝

Old Fireleg 06-25-18 05:46 AM


Note the size of those chainrings on the Ciocc, and the weird angle of the front brake and fork orientation in the inset image.

Yes, the size of the chainring and the angle of the fork contradict each other. Maybe on a team TT race it be useful?

The front brake position is similar to Hinault's Gitane:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...53cac4dd2b.jpg


At that time, they experimented with them. On Daniel Gisiger's Bottecchia mounted the rear brake to front of the seat stays, similar to the Colnago Oval CX.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51eabd0a86.jpg

fietsbob 06-25-18 10:29 AM

Scott 'superbrake' was shown with the cable head, and housing reversed,
in a non modified brake lever,

BITD. like done on that Moser TT bike.


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