Simplex SLJ rear mounting bolt?
 

Simplex Upper Pivot Bolts
 

Chas. to the rescue... :innocent:

I started composing a response but the $%^(%&*(#$#@#%$ website ate my message so here goes again.

When I was a little kid visiting French speaking in-laws in Maine, the first thing that I learned was NE TOUCHE PAS! (Don't Touch). I'm referring to the 6mm hex sockets in the upper and lower pivot bolts in Simplex rear derailleurs.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0f03ffa1ff.jpg

You may have a first generation Simplex Super LJ AR 615 derailleur. These were introduced in 1972-73. They were superior in almost all respects to Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleurs with one exception: the travel stop plate in the rear of the derailleur upper pivot.

In a perfect world it should look like this when new.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...356d91408b.jpghttps://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39cdb9eea2.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...255c984b95.jpg

This is a weak, urine impoverished design because the corners of the upper pivot bolt get easily rounded off and no longer function as a limit to derailleur front to rear rotation.

That's the problem with your derailleur. The flats are really munged up.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af2548947e.jpg

It happens whenever someone uses the 6mm hex in the upper pivot to try to remove the derailleur rather than the non logical bolt in the rear. Simplex used variations of this design from the mid 1960's until the 1980's

Most, (maybe all) modern direct mount derailleurs are attached to the dropout hanger with a small bolt or screw accessed from the outside...except for Simplex!

I've used this fix with a small taper point punch on a number of derailleurs were the bolts were not as messed up as yours.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8a997988b1.jpg

Finding a replacement is going to be very difficult. The part number is 3557.

The first generation SLJs were not that common because for one thing they sold for up to $100 at a time when you could get a Campy Nuovo Record RD for $29-$39. Secondly they were cursed with the image of cheap Delrin plastic derailleurs.

One thing that you could try is to have someone who is good a brazing, build up some material on the en and then filing it down to size. You'll probably have to re-tap the hole. A word of caution, brazing or welding chrome plating releases toxic fumes.

BTW, The Delrin Simplex Prestige and Criterium derailleurs had red plastic plugs in the hex holes in the pivots to discourage people from misusing them.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c8149d0076.jpg

The later 5500/6600 derailleurs have nylon plugs in the holes. I have some nylon plugs if anyone need some for free.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e02885874e.jpg

Is it wrong... or just French Simplex???

verktyg :50:

That is why they installed those not-so-easy to remove, little, off white, plastic caps on the Allen head bolt holes on the pivot bolts. If you see them missing especially the one on the top pivot, beware......

Op, I was in the same situation a while ago and tried all the "repair" suggestion to no avail, buying another one may reveal that it has the same problem.
There was a person selling on ebay but they were 25.00 as I recall so....
I wish you luck, Ben

I didn't want to start a new thread about the same problem so I am posting it here. I am working on a couple of Peugeot bikes and tried to overhaul supposedly an SX 410 rear derailleur. I shouldn't have touched it because I didn't do it properly! Anyway, the flats on the upper pivot bolt are now gone.Well, maybe it had been already like that before disassemble, I don't know. The bolt looks perfectly round I can see only some remnants of the flats on it. I can still thread the black mounting bolt in it so technically the derailleur can be reassembled and mounted. Would the derailleur still work with deformed flats though? I guess the answer is no, right?..

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9f45bb3136.jpg

The rear derailleur

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b7a9493171.jpg

Upper pivot bolt with the washer

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7dbbab4f73.jpg

Some traces of the flats
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e64b211d79.jpg

The flats are gone

My experience (not with a LJ but lesser models, but I expect the result will be the same) is if you loosely assemble the pivot bolt (front) , spring, mounting plate (thing with the tab), and attachment bolt (rear) on the frame and in the correct position for the mounting plate, then rotate the pivot bolt (front side) with an allen wrench to apply proper pivot spring tension (I believe you are correct counterclockwise) then, while holding the tension, tighten the attachment bolt (rear), it should all hold together just fine.

Saw this trick somewhere on BF

(edit - looks like the slj spring mounts into the body instead of the pivot bolt, but the basic concept should still work)

This won't work anymore once the pivot bolt is out of its original shape with no flats, will it?

Since there are variations as to whether the stationary end of the spring fits in a hole in the mounting plate (that is keyed to the pivot bolt) or fits in a slot in the pivot bolt head, I won't over-generalize here, but you want to first verify that the bolt and plate are held stationary against rotation once the little bolt has been torqued down into the larger, hollow pivot bolt.

Tensioning the upper pivot will of course require turning the pivot bolt and plate clockwise.
Where the plate/bolt interface has been stripped out, the plate won't turn on it's own against spring tension simply by turning the bolt, so it will have to be turned manually using perhaps a plier, screwdriver or whatever depending on how such tools might be used here.

So, with the plate rotated to effect the desired level of spring tension adjustment (first try may be only an approximation), the rear little bolt should secure the adjustment by preventing the plate and pivot bolt from turning with resultant loss of spring tension.

If I'm right about the level of security holding the plate and bolt from turning, the only downside to having a stripped plate/bolt interface will be the added step of tensioning the spring using the plate manually.

Note that it is the lower pivot, not the upper pivot, where turning the bolt counter-clockwise will tension the spring. Upper spring tension requires turning the bolt and plate clockwise.

Some similar derailers peg the stationary end of the spring into a hole or slot in the bolt head, which leaves the plate to only have to limit the derailer body's swing arc instead of effecting spring tension. So tensioning one of these that has been damaged requires turning the plate into correct position before tightening the little bolt (or locknut) without having to fight the spring's tension (turning the pivot bolt itself will do that).

Note also that in some cases, a loss of upper pivot tension might indicate that one end of the spring has either yielded or broken.

Capagnolo's Gran Turismo rear derailer similarly featured a sprung upper pivot using a bolt that was pegged into the plate using a single flat, and which was similarly subject to mounting error damage. I was able to restore one of these because unlike the french design the bolt was solid, secured with a little nut instead of a little bolt. This meant that simply staking the plate adjacent to the failed flat moved metal back into place thus engaging the undamaged flat on the solid bolt. See picture below.
I guess then that it was Shimano that figured out how to employ the upper pivot spring without introducing such a novice-mechanic-unfriendly feature where the parts might be damaged upon removal. Their lack of tension adjustment on either sprung pivot was a design shortcoming but nothing that couldn't be fixed (as with the Gran Turismo) by the drilling of alternate-position holes for the end of either pivot's spring.

Picture showing repaired plate and with additional spring anchor hole drilled into the body intended to increase the cage pivot spring tension:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7e5dc3d610.jpg

Easy fix: Buy a Suntour Cyclone. Call it a "Le Cyclone." Done.

It looks like you made the exact mistake I warned about in the "tips for newbies" thread, over here: https://www.bikeforums.net/21190804-post30.html

Inside the post I just linked is a link to some possible solution. I wish I could share this with every person who touches French hardware, I've found and fixed so many mangled Simplex derailleurs over the years!

Badge-engineered replacement for a damaged Simplex Prestige:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0291db6192.jpg

David Snyder
Auburn, California usa

I'd seen your post in that thread but it was already too late at that point. I've learned my lesson though.

​​​​​​Which link with possible solutions do you mean? I can't find it anywhere..

Thanks for these instructions, dddd! This gives me some hope that the derailleur is not completely ruined. I will reassemble it and see if I can still mount it properly.

Hard lesson to learn. This is just one of many quirks from days past, don't sweat it.

I realized after-the-fact that the repair thread is actually this one - see post 2. But I swear there's another one. [MENTION=185430]dddd[/MENTION] actually puts out another good one. Combine the method [MENTION=61614]verktyg[/MENTION] suggests with a tapered punch and what [MENTION=185430]dddd[/MENTION] is showing, you probably have a winner.

I've also had some luck hammering the washer on an anvil to close the hole a bit.

Another thread popped up on this topic in the past. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...0-problem.html

But I swear there was yet another on this... I guess maybe one of us needs to create a "repairing Simplex pivot bolts" thread eh? Combine all this into one place.

Worked for me on models where the spring is keyed to the pivot bolt (so by turning the pivot bolt, you apply tension), you just need to create and hold the spring tension with one hand while tightening the fastening bolt with the other hand.

Seems to all lock together once tightened.

Thanks for the links and advice! Good idea about creating such a thread, that would be very helpful.

Then it should work for me as well! The derailleur in question is an SX 410.