Define "rare"
11-27-18 | 09:41 PM
#51
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Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.
Rare is another word for "unpopular" isn't it?
Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left.
(Yes, I'm kinda trolling here)
Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left.
(Yes, I'm kinda trolling here)
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● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1979 Motobecane Grand Jubile ●1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
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11-27-18 | 09:44 PM
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11-27-18 | 10:30 PM
#53
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Bikes: Indeed!
Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
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11-28-18 | 03:08 AM
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Bikes: Saronni Colnago 1982; Battaglin 1982, Centurion Lemans RS 1978, 3Rensho Katana 1978, C. Borghi Olympia 1980, 3Rensho Athlete 1980's, Holdsworth 1980's and more...
1972 Line Seeker CF/Steel/Al race bike.
It's the only example that I had found so far that is original, intact and rideable. Only things I had to replace was the brake levers, saddle, brake cables and pads and rims on the wheels. The only other one I found was owned by a bicycle museum and it was toast.
#22 of supposedly only 300 made (hand made in the designing engineer's residence in 1972). Before Exxon bought the design from the engineer and modified to become the Exxon Graftek.
11-28-18 | 04:19 AM
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Bikes: 1903 24 spd Sunbeam, 1927 Humber, 3 1930 Raleighs, 2 1940s Sunbeams, 2 1940s Raleighs, Rudge, 1950s Robin Hood, 1958 Claud Butler, 2 1973 Colnago Supers, Eddie Merckx, 2 1980 Holdsworth, EG Bates funny TT bike, another 6 or so 1990s bikes
1906 Variable Speed (High and Low) Sunbeam
Rode it home from the seller , the gear selector is mounted on the lower downtube just behind the headtube/fork shoulder.
Linkage for the two speed cycoptic BB enters just inbound from the chainring - from the right in this foto
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11-28-18 | 07:33 AM
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And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".
11-28-18 | 07:39 AM
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Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs
"Rare" gets bandied about a lot. As someone else pointed out already, just do a Craig's List search for "rare" and then enjoy the ride. That said, I tend to think of "rare" as having several levels of distinction. Here are a few...
Rare: ca. 1989 Freschi Supreme Super Cromo. I've never seen another in person, and only one or two photos of other examples.
Rare: ca. 1989 Freschi Supreme Super Cromo. I've never seen another in person, and only one or two photos of other examples.
What are the tube angles on that one? Surprised it could have been ridden without being crashed several times. It sure is pretty though.
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11-28-18 | 08:32 AM
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Bikes: Cambodia bike,2012 Fuji Stratos...
Possibly not quite rare but my Centurion Pro Tour is the only one I know of in Cambodia
centurion build (2) by Bwilli88, on Flickr
this is a Raleigh Record Ace built for the British market, how it got to America is a guess.
IMG_20181001_175153784_HDR by Bwilli88, on Flickr
centurion build (2) by Bwilli88, on Flickr
this is a Raleigh Record Ace built for the British market, how it got to America is a guess.
IMG_20181001_175153784_HDR by Bwilli88, on Flickr
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11-28-18 | 09:30 AM
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I would call both of these rare. The Chrome Ochsner with Cinelli logo cut lugs and Cinelli panto fork crown was limited production and my Roberts , well he did not make a many frames per year. I would think that qualifies as rare?
11-28-18 | 09:51 AM
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11-28-18 | 04:47 PM
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Only a very few were made and even fewer still exist. I know of only one.
11-28-18 | 05:42 PM
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Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.
Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot
And another Jevelot built stunner.
https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/
And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own [MENTION=290087]pcb[/MENTION].
The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.
This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycles/photos/a.551215898227977/551216441561256/?type=3&theater
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11-29-18 | 01:27 AM
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Thanks, Brent. I didn't know that Hugh sold frames as Jevelot. He made this one custom for me, and it never had any markings/decals, etc. So I didn't know that it has Jevelot brethren.
And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".
And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".
11-29-18 | 01:37 AM
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Bikes: Saronni Colnago 1982; Battaglin 1982, Centurion Lemans RS 1978, 3Rensho Katana 1978, C. Borghi Olympia 1980, 3Rensho Athlete 1980's, Holdsworth 1980's and more...
Actually, all classic & vintage bikes are considered "rare"! Because, all of them are no longer in production & not many are still in mint condition & not many are in your size!
11-29-18 | 03:18 AM
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11-29-18 | 07:39 AM
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And [MENTION=471653]bentaxle[/MENTION],
I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.
Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot
And another Jevelot built stunner.
https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/
And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own [MENTION=290087]pcb[/MENTION].
The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.
This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycle...type=3&theater
I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.
Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot
And another Jevelot built stunner.
https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/
And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own [MENTION=290087]pcb[/MENTION].
The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.
This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycle...type=3&theater
11-29-18 | 10:28 AM
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I greatly enjoyed reading this thread. Rare in the U.S., 1960 top-of-the-line Capo Sieger:
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11-29-18 | 01:00 PM
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11-29-18 | 01:12 PM
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Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Wow, thanks Merziac! I knew a bit about Hugh's career, (racer, connection to Wheelsmith, etc.) but it's really cool to see these other frames by Hugh/Jevelot. The stories read a lot like my interaction with Hugh, and my enjoyment of the frame is similar to theirs. I have some newer (and an older) frame as well, but there is none better than that Hugh's, which I have owned the longest and has taken me over mountains in California, the East Coast, and the Alps. A bit of a legacy with me.
11-29-18 | 01:28 PM
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You're welcome and tx for more pics, very cool. Do you have others from Jevelot? Were you already familiar with Merz? I don't know if there is any real connection with the two although I would imagine they have crossed paths. And funny what comes up when you start digging, Jerry Hausler and Merz were at Eroica together, then well before that Merz and Jevelot built some of the first modern aero bikes. [MENTION=306057]obrentharris[/MENTION] is a wealth of info on this stuff, wish I knew what he knows.
And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.
11-29-18 | 01:30 PM
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11-29-18 | 01:43 PM
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Yeah, well . . . it was built in the 80s, so yes, Purple Haze makes sense, with Hendrix power riffs in the background. The frame color was called "turchese", Italian for turquoise since Hugh used pigments and color chips from some Italian supplier. The paint was basically Imron, though, I think. Any way, I would have thought the color was more along the lines of teal. Teal and purple was a very 80s color combination. Or "Turchese and Purple Haze" perhaps, being the Italian version.
11-29-18 | 01:46 PM
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Hi Merziac: I only have the one frame from Hugh Enochs. It was never even labeled "Jevelot", though, just bought it from Hugh. He also repaired it once, when I got hit from behind by a car, so he kept that frame going. I was aware of Jevelot in those days, because they also sold other stuff. I think I had liquid latex for my "sew-ups" that had Jevelot on the label. So maybe a few things like that. But I don't think I knew there was any connection between Hugh and Jevelot (or I'd forgotten) until this thread.
And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.
And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.