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Old 11-27-18, 09:21 PM
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My contributions would all have some Trek lineage. I have a 1977 TX900 that I think would be on the rare side of uncommon and a 1981 Trek 957 that would be uncommon. The one bike that seems rare is a 1986 Appel. I haven't seen another for sale and understood he only made a few hundred. Not sure if that is correct. I do regret passing on an early Zunow and an early Tesch that would have both qualified for this thread.
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Rare is another word for "unpopular" isn't it?

Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left.



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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
Rare is another word for "unpopular" isn't it?

Hardly anyone bought one back in the day, so of course there aren't many left

There are a couple example on this thread. Not naming any names
Nash, Spyder, Marlin, Pacer or Edsel?
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A 1983 Hugh Enochs frame? He was a California racer that made some frames in the SF Bay Area. I'm the sole owner, and it's quite desirable to me!

Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
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This rash a friend of mine has had ever since a trip overseas in 1962. If any of you run into Fantasia tell her that I'm looking for her ..... to help my friend.
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1972 Line Seeker CF/Steel/Al race bike.
It's the only example that I had found so far that is original, intact and rideable. Only things I had to replace was the brake levers, saddle, brake cables and pads and rims on the wheels. The only other one I found was owned by a bicycle museum and it was toast.
#22 of supposedly only 300 made (hand made in the designing engineer's residence in 1972). Before Exxon bought the design from the engineer and modified to become the Exxon Graftek.
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Rode it home from the seller , the gear selector is mounted on the lower downtube just behind the headtube/fork shoulder.


Linkage for the two speed cycoptic BB enters just inbound from the chainring - from the right in this foto

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Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
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Thanks, Brent. I didn't know that Hugh sold frames as Jevelot. He made this one custom for me, and it never had any markings/decals, etc. So I didn't know that it has Jevelot brethren.

And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".
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Originally Posted by AZORCH View Post
"Rare" gets bandied about a lot. As someone else pointed out already, just do a Craig's List search for "rare" and then enjoy the ride. That said, I tend to think of "rare" as having several levels of distinction. Here are a few...

Rare: ca. 1989 Freschi Supreme Super Cromo. I've never seen another in person, and only one or two photos of other examples.


What are the tube angles on that one? Surprised it could have been ridden without being crashed several times. It sure is pretty though.
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Possibly not quite rare but my Centurion Pro Tour is the only one I know of in Cambodia

centurion build (2) by Bwilli88, on Flickr

this is a Raleigh Record Ace built for the British market, how it got to America is a guess.

IMG_20181001_175153784_HDR by Bwilli88, on Flickr
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I would call both of these rare. The Chrome Ochsner with Cinelli logo cut lugs and Cinelli panto fork crown was limited production and my Roberts , well he did not make a many frames per year. I would think that qualifies as rare?
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
What are the tube angles on that one? Surprised it could have been ridden without being crashed several times. It sure is pretty though.
Y'know, it's a surprising good ride and much more stable than you'd imagine from looking at the geometry. Go figure.
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Only a very few were made and even fewer still exist. I know of only one.

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Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
Nice! This brings back memories. I haven't seen a Jevelot frame in at least a couple decades... and I live in the Bay Area.

Great to see all the custom North American bikes coming out of the woodwork!
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And @bentaxle ,

I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.

Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot



And another Jevelot built stunner.

https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/




And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own @pcb .

The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.

This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.




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Thanks, Brent. I didn't know that Hugh sold frames as Jevelot. He made this one custom for me, and it never had any markings/decals, etc. So I didn't know that it has Jevelot brethren.

And I guess with the baseboard and trim in the background of the photo, this North American bike is almost literally "coming out of the woodwork".
More pics plz!
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Actually, all classic & vintage bikes are considered "rare"! Because, all of them are no longer in production & not many are still in mint condition & not many are in your size!
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Only a very few were made and even fewer still exist. I know of only one.

How do they stop excessive lateral movement of the BB when you crank up the power.
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And @bentaxle ,

I was waiting to go down this rabbithole and my knowledge is only internet based, but pretty cool none the less.

Bikes of Eroica California: Jerry Haussler's Jevelot
And another Jevelot built stunner.

https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/readersrigs/readers-rigs-museum-stunner/


And just to compound things, Jerry displayed his at Eroica when Merz displayed his "recycler" that he recovered from our very own @pcb .

The guy with the aero bike states that he didn't think there was an aero before his but Merz built one for the show he talks about.

This is from Jim's facebook page, if you go to photos and go way down the page there are several gorgeous closeups.
https://www.facebook.com/merzbicycle...type=3&theater
Wow, thanks Merziac! I knew a bit about Hugh's career, (racer, connection to Wheelsmith, etc.) but it's really cool to see these other frames by Hugh/Jevelot. The stories read a lot like my interaction with Hugh, and my enjoyment of the frame is similar to theirs. I have some newer (and an older) frame as well, but there is none better than that Hugh's, which I have owned the longest and has taken me over mountains in California, the East Coast, and the Alps. A bit of a legacy with me.
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More pics plz!
Here you go, as requested.



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I greatly enjoyed reading this thread. Rare in the U.S., 1960 top-of-the-line Capo Sieger:
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How do they stop excessive lateral movement of the BB when you crank up the power.
I haven't a clue. Not sure how big a problem that would be, either. For me, probably not so big.

I'm not into the grail bike concept, but this comes close. It look so elegant.
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Wow, thanks Merziac! I knew a bit about Hugh's career, (racer, connection to Wheelsmith, etc.) but it's really cool to see these other frames by Hugh/Jevelot. The stories read a lot like my interaction with Hugh, and my enjoyment of the frame is similar to theirs. I have some newer (and an older) frame as well, but there is none better than that Hugh's, which I have owned the longest and has taken me over mountains in California, the East Coast, and the Alps. A bit of a legacy with me.
You're welcome and tx for more pics, very cool. Do you have others from Jevelot? Were you already familiar with Merz? I don't know if there is any real connection with the two although I would imagine they have crossed paths. And funny what comes up when you start digging, Jerry Hausler and Merz were at Eroica together, then well before that Merz and Jevelot built some of the first modern aero bikes. @obrentharris is a wealth of info on this stuff, wish I knew what he knows.
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You're welcome and tx for more pics, very cool. Do you have others from Jevelot? Were you already familiar with Merz? I don't know if there is any real connection with the two although I would imagine they have crossed paths. And funny what comes up when you start digging, Jerry Hausler and Merz were at Eroica together, then well before that Merz and Jevelot built some of the first modern aero bikes. @obrentharris is a wealth of info on this stuff, wish I knew what he knows.
Hi Merziac: I only have the one frame from Hugh Enochs. It was never even labeled "Jevelot", though, just bought it from Hugh. He also repaired it once, when I got hit from behind by a car, so he kept that frame going. I was aware of Jevelot in those days, because they also sold other stuff. I think I had liquid latex for my "sew-ups" that had Jevelot on the label. So maybe a few things like that. But I don't think I knew there was any connection between Hugh and Jevelot (or I'd forgotten) until this thread.

And I knew nothing about Merz. So your stories were very interesting, especially since the connection persists as you describe in the Eroica story. That is very interesting to me and gives more context and history about this bike that's been a central part of my life for over 35 years! My daughter thinks I have some cool bikes, but she considers this one my bike.
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Here you go, as requested.



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Yeah, well . . . it was built in the 80s, so yes, Purple Haze makes sense, with Hendrix power riffs in the background. The frame color was called "turchese", Italian for turquoise since Hugh used pigments and color chips from some Italian supplier. The paint was basically Imron, though, I think. Any way, I would have thought the color was more along the lines of teal. Teal and purple was a very 80s color combination. Or "Turchese and Purple Haze" perhaps, being the Italian version.
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